Trump shares Gaza AI-video showing him, Netanyahu sunbathing

@ovoid-voivod said in #10:

So that's exactly what I am saying. 50,000 civilians killed, 2 millions people kicked out of their homes, and the only thing you care about is this might create terrorists.

Now, it is true that bombing people and demolishing their homes DOES create terrorists (I think there even are statistics about this). However I do not think this SHOULD BE your primary concern, at least if you have a minimum of empathy. Your primary concern should be what's happening right now to these millions of people.

I live in Europe and we have Russia to deal with - there's no time for Gaza. Russia is making a hybrid war against us,
so we need to focus on defending ourselves first.

Russian ships are for instance cutting intermet cables, there's sabotage here and there and it's a possibility they will cause an oil disaster.

Op top of that several European countries could be invaded by Russia, in case NATO falls apart - it is crumbing into nothing these sayd - and we haven't set up something else to stop Russia ourselves.

if Hamas wants some sort of helo from Europe, they picked the wrong time to start the war.

I don't know what sort of help you expect Europe to give to Gaza. We are already sending humanitatian aid. Europe isn't aiding Israel like USA does. IDK what else you want. Somebody else must deal with this, we don't have time now.

@ovoid-voivod said in #10:

So that's exactly what I am saying. 50,000 civilians killed, 2 millions people kicked out of their homes, and the only thing you care about is this might create terrorists.

Many more died in Sudan and I am not seing you caring about Sudan? There's wars all over the place, and we can't care about all of them. Like you don' care aboou Sudan but you don't care about Gaza, so it is the same for other people, maybe another guy cares about Sudan but not Gaza so it's the opposite of you.

Now, it is true that bombing people and demolishing their homes DOES create terrorists (I think there even are statistics about this).

Did I say it didn't? No I did not. So why do you tell me this?

@ovoid-voivod said in #10:

So that's exactly what I am saying. 50,000 civilians killed, 2 millions people kicked out of their homes, and the only thing you care about is this might create terrorists.

Now, it is true that bombing people and demolishing their homes DOES create terrorists (I think there even are statistics about this). However I do not think this SHOULD BE your primary concern, at least if you have a minimum of empathy. Your primary concern should be what's happening right now to these millions of people.

Do you think I am American? I am not, I am from Europe.

Someone needs to do another fake as can be AI with Putin, Kim Jong-un, and Xi Jinping lounging at the Gaza resort, with T dressed in a skimpy french maid's outfit, complete with micro-skirt and fishnet stockings, serving the 3 of them. And Putin saying, "Donny dear, you really need to lose a few pounds, if you want better tips"

@Raspberry_yoghurt said in #12:

Many more died in Sudan and I am not seing you caring about Sudan?
Nice whataboutery. You don't see me talking about Sudan because you don't see me talking about politics because I reached the conclusion talking about politics in the off-topic of Lichess is a waste of time.

I did not initiate this discussion about Gaza. You did, and I reacted to it because I found your approach quite disturbing. Had you posted something similarly disturbing about Sudan, I would probably have reacted in a similar way.
@Raspberry_yoghurt said in #11:

I don't know what sort of help you expect Europe to give to Gaza. We are already sending humanitatian aid. Europe isn't aiding Israel like USA does. IDK what else you want. Somebody else must deal with this, we don't have time now.
I am not telling you that you should care about Gaza (although I definitely think you should, but I am not the boss of you). I didn't force you to open a thread about Gaza.

What I AM saying is that IF you are going to talk about Gaza, THEN the least one might expect from you is showing a bit of humanity and sympathy for the victims. Imagine if someone said "ah, the Holocaust was so bad, because a direct consequence of it was the creation of the state of Israel, leading to ethnic cleansing and violence against the Arabs", without at any time even mentioning the 6 millions Jews that were murdered. Would you not think this person seriously lacks empathy, and probably is an antisemite?

And are you not doing exactly the same when you're saying something along the lines of "ah, the ethnic cleansing in Gaza is so bad, because it might create terrorists that might attack the USA"?

What I am trying to say is it really looks like you don't give a damn about human lifes, you just use this case at your advantage to further your own political propaganda (and I am not using "propaganda" with a negative connotation here) without even bother to simply AKNOWLEDGE the sufferings of the victims.

Did I say it didn't? No I did not. So why do you tell me this?
Did I say you said it didn't? It's called making a concession. Let me rephrase that for you : "yes, @Raspberry_yoghurt, you are right that the ethnic cleansing in Gaza might create terrorists (and there even are statistics about it), HOWEVER I do not think that's the most important part with the ethnic cleansing".

@ovoid-voivod said in #15:

Nice whataboutery. You don't see me talking about Sudan because you don't see me talking about politics because I reached the conclusion talking about politics in the off-topic of Lichess is a waste of time.

Ok but hardly anybody cares for Sudan. The fact of the matter is that they're like 10 big wars in the world, and I don't believe you care exactly 10% of each of them.

You care much for some wars and less for others and this is how people work.

I did not initiate this discussion about Gaza. You did, and I reacted to it because I found your approach quite disturbing. Had you posted something similarly disturbing about Sudan, I would probably have reacted in a similar way.

I did not. The topic was Trump's video and crazy plans for Gaza.

There is no need to discuss the entire Gaza-thing for that.

What I AM saying is that IF you are going to talk about Gaza, THEN the least one might expect from you is showing a bit of humanity and sympathy for the victims. Imagine if someone said "ah, the Holocaust was so bad, because a direct consequence of it was the creation of the state of Israel, leading to ethnic cleansing and violence against the Arabs", without at any time even mentioning the 6 millions Jews that were murdered. Would you not think this person seriously lacks empathy, and probably is an antisemite?

No, this could be a normal way of debating.

I hand out in the places they talk about the Ukraine war. For 3 years I have been looking at war stuff and so on and off course sometimes people get emotional but a lot of the time people are interested in other stuff.

Like right now there is a news that Ukraine can jam Russia's glide bombs that have caused a LOT of death and destruction. So what people want is first to get an idea of how well this jammng works, what can we expect to happen, can the Russians counter it and so on.

You could also write stuff about how sad it is all these people died from glide bombs - but it's sorta obvious and it doesn't get you the knowledge you want, so it's not a problem to have a factual discussion about jamming of Russia's glide bombs.

The actual people being sometimes at risk for being hit at glide bombs often prefer to talk in the factual way, because they want to know what's up with the glide bombs and not how say everybody are or how much empathy they're feeling right now.

And are you not doing exactly the same when you're saying something along the lines of "ah, the ethnic cleansing in Gaza is so bad, because it might create terrorists that might attack the USA"?

I did not say that.

What I am trying to say is it really looks like you don't give a damn about human lifes,

I think the problem is more that you have low reading skills and just imagine you've seen a lot of stuff that just isn't written in the posts you comment on.

Did I say you said it didn't? It's called making a concession. Let me rephrase that for you : "yes, @Raspberry_yoghurt, you are right that the ethnic cleansing in Gaza might create terrorists (and there even are statistics about it), HOWEVER I do not think that's the most important part with the ethnic cleansing".

But did I say what the most important part is? I did not. Again, please read the post instead of freaking out.

Also, it is actually possible to discuss the secondmost and third-most important part of something.

This video gives us hope, that Trump's mindset is declining very fast!

It gives us hope, that his tyranni will come to an end sooner than later.