Moscow terror attack

@bfchessguy said in #59:

Thanks man for showing respect to those who died in Bataclan.
Suggesting I disrespected the victims of the attack is a new low, even for you. Blocked and reported.

One of the friends I was worrying he could be at the Bataclan. went to funeral. He is also playing chess. I think he is not playing here. Now that you wrote this:

What likely happened is you didn't know anything about this case, you did a quick Google query, read "all terrorists were either shot or suicided", proceeded to post #50, and now you are trying to save face by insisting he did not take part in the shooting, which was not the question in the first place.

I'll have to warn him - by email and text message - to avoid going in this thread. I do not want him to relive the trauma again.

Thanks again! Really appreciated.

@Aluminium-27 said in #17:

ISIS is a potential ally for Ukraine as Russia's enemy, regardless of their public relationships. Is Ukraine so desperate to ally with terrorists? Maybe some people there are. We'll never know. I personally think that terrorists weren't supposed to escape at all.

ISIS won't even form an alliance with Al Queda, much less Christian Ukraine.

@Mopman said in #48:

With Putin's " interrogation " you can get them to say anything you want.
If you don’t believe an official investigation led by Russia, then you have no chance to know the truth.
Tajikistan is also under Putin's dictatorship, he has enemies in many areas Russia currently controls.

@bfchessguy said in #54:

@I_invented_google is cherry picking what is suiting him. He picked the coward who was not willing to go for the virgins in heaven.

Here is what the coward actually did if I read the article you're linking. Lmao
He had a suicide vest and was ready to detonate it in a cafe but somehow didnt.

Involved in 2015 attack is different than doing mass shooting in Bataclan. No terrorists escaped from Bataclan. So no one went under trial.
He did go on trial and got a life sentence in prison. And my point was that Russian police was faster in capturing terrorists and their helpers (remember that they arrested 7 other people).
The police in Paris did a better job than at Moscow regarding the mass shooting at Music Show. Period.
No, as I said earlier, the Russian police didn’t raid the concert hall while the assailants were still inside because of the fire.

@bfchessguy said in #59:

I saw the intervention of the police on TV soon after the start of the attacks. And by the way I was worrying friends have been working with were in Bataclan on that day. Thanks man for showing respect to those who died in Bataclan.
I don’t see why you use this anecdote but ok. There was actually multiple attacks around Paris: one in the Bataclan, one in the Stade de France, and some others in cafes (and Salam Abdeslam had to detonate one of them with his suicide vest).
How many lies are you going to spread attacking me?
You started by saying that I invented stories because you read that the Bataclan (not all the November 2015 terrorists) were shot/dead.

@bfchessguy said in #60:

Can we compare mass shooting at concert hall with another mass shooting at concert hall?
No, there is big differences between the two attacks.

1. The attack at the Bataclan started at 21.40 Paris time and terrorists started to take hostages at 22.00. Elite police units arrived at 22.15.
   Police forces took 2 hours to start the raid, who ça started at 00.20 and finished at 00.58.
   On the other side, the Crocus city hall attack started at
   20.03 Moscow time. It took about five minutes for the local police to arrive (at 20.08). The terrorists then p the building on fire and escaped with a Renault Symbol at 20.13. Elite security forces arrived at 21.00.
   Note that in both countries local police forces are not recommended to intervene in such situations.
2. The Crocus city hall was set on fire, so local police forces couldn’t even get the possibility to intervene.

How was police work in Moscow compared to Paris?
Elite police forces arrived faster in Moscow than in Paris and managed to locate the getaway car and arrest the assailants. Of course the work of Parisian police was also good but there were other circonstances: the assailants were still in the concert hall.

@I_invented_google said in #66:

I don’t see why you use this anecdote but ok. There was actually multiple attacks around Paris: one in the Bataclan, one in the Stade de France, and some others in cafes (and Salam Abdeslam had to detonate one of them with his suicide vest).

You started by saying that I invented stories because you read that the Bataclan (not all the November 2015 terrorists) were shot/dead.

Vous ne voyez pas pouquoi? Je compare une attaque terroriste dans une sallle de concert avec autre dans une salle de concert. On peu faire preuve d'angélisme et croire ce que l'on veut, mais Salam Abdeslam a choisi de garder le silence.

Le "droit au silence" et les terroristes
Le droit au silence est inscrit dans la convention européenne des droits de l'Homme. En Droit français, il est transposé dans la loi du 27 mai 2014 qui prévoit pour toute personne mise en cause le "droit de faire des déclarations, de répondre aux questions qui lui sont posées ou de se taire". Bien d'autres avant Salah Abdeslam ont choisi cette dernière option.

Avec notre pote putina, on peut torturer pour obtenir ce que l'on souhaite comme aveu.

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@I_invented_google said in #67:

No, there is big differences between the two attacks.

1. The attack at the Bataclan started at 21.40 Paris time and terrorists started to take hostages at 22.00. Elite police units arrived at 22.15.

So are you saying you're comparing the police intervention when

there is big differences
?

You wrote this:

No, they caught them very quickly. Compare it to France’s 2015 attacks. One of the terrorists was caught 125 days later.

You are cherry picking and now you're debating the attacks are different. lol

Regarding the training of police for decades what should be done with active shooters is changing. For example, in Canada the way the police took action at Poly Mtl in 1989 and Dawson in 2016 is pretty different. For Dawson it took a couple of minutes after the 911 call to have police men entering the building, shooting after finding the terrorist. And when the terrorist was hit by a bullet, he shoots himself.

12 h 42, un homme vêtu d'un trenchcoat noir et avec une coupe de cheveux style Mohawk ouvre le feu avec une carabine Beretta Cx4 Storm aux portes de l'entrée située sur le boulevard de Maisonneuve. Après avoir tiré environ cinq fois, il entre dans l'établissement et ouvre le feu sur les étudiants situés dans la cafétéria. Un premier appel est passé au 9-1-1. Les gens qui l'avaient vu arriver ont présumé qu'il ne s'agissait que d'une arme jouet et non d'une vraie arme à feu et n'ont pas tenté de l'intercepter. La plupart des étudiants du Collège Dawson, avant de voir le tireur faire feu, pensaient qu'il ne s'agissait que d'une blague.
12 h 44, début de l'intervention policière au collège.
13 h 10, les policiers interviennent dans la cafétéria du Collège Dawson et entraînent le suspect dans un échange de coups de feu. Le suspect est atteint par un projectile des policiers au bras et retourne son arme contre lui (dans la tête).