@BlackBishop9319 my last post ..but I believe more in a Spinoza idea of God as the most irreducible, primary thing...could be a particle , could be existence itself without any first cause...but I dont lean toward involved concrete beings that need intermediaries for me to access them... all the best.
@BlackBishop9319 well animals and plants do have consciousness.. human consciousness is higher..
You are right about something, the theory of evolution while greatly explains how all animals and plants evolve, it fails to explain one thing, "humans", we seem to have evolved so rapidly and that's just not how evolution works.. well we definetly evolved but there is something missing to explain why we evolved that rapidly and why we gained this consciousness.. there is many theories to why that happened, i find the stoned ape theory the most appealing :D
I'm born muslim btw but i don't follow any religion
You are right about something, the theory of evolution while greatly explains how all animals and plants evolve, it fails to explain one thing, "humans", we seem to have evolved so rapidly and that's just not how evolution works.. well we definetly evolved but there is something missing to explain why we evolved that rapidly and why we gained this consciousness.. there is many theories to why that happened, i find the stoned ape theory the most appealing :D
I'm born muslim btw but i don't follow any religion
Nature Documentary Content (having discovered a system of underground adjoining tunnels very deep and expansive said of an ant colony creation during excavation): There's no way this is randomN or naturally occurring obviously it's far to complex.
[complex!? what like a spider's eye? is the human brain complex enough
for you to be able to realize you just contradicted evolution conclusively by
accident from the liar's side on public TV and you nor anyone else caught
it!!? The deceived are immune to Truth]
Upon landing in America they noted the abundance of convenient fruit trees and many other natural marvels and said the same thing: there's no way possible this rich land came to be so nice naturally but someone made it this way.
[it should be a severe pain to be able to maintain evolution as the
scientific fact of the origin and arrangement of all the universe and all
life and then to blunder it all over a dirt bug plaza or some landscaping.
I don't wanna force no beliefs no ways I just want it to be a severe endless
migrain to say evolution especially when they site
time periods and use specific references to time]
Make no mistake: drrwin's theory of evolution by natural selection isn't just the best theory we got (in fact it's proven false) it isn't an innocent mistake no EVOLUTION IS A LIE and must be treated as such.
____________________________________________________________________________________
Then the worst thing ever is the fantastic notion that either science OR religion may true
but clearly not both.
THIS LITTLE HUMDINGER OF A LIE IS A REAL PIECE FO POUTY TAUT BASTARD SLIPPERY BUGGER MOTHER NATURE MUGGER IMPINNABLE DOWN AND UNPROVABLY FALSE BY REASON OF the UTTER NONSENSE it's made of as you know. Because of this it can be especially tricky to dispel or even alight. Simply stating that God and God's word line up scientifically with the scientific community perfectly every time. If you want to find out for yourself it's just a matter of research. Statements like that have no impact whatsoever on the foolish/deceived.
First of all, we skipped a step, 'science or religion' not 'science & God's word = mutually validating' but again making the distinction between religion and God and God's word is foolishness for a fool. And the more specific and clear I ever made any point of expressing from among the truth I only ever always pushed them further and further from clarity with ever fine description and explanation I sincerely poored out.
It's a training program like the Karate Kid. Time you figure it out and rest from carrying the truth to the lost you about GodProOF from here on out.
okay
sooo......
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
...vanity says the preacher, all is vanity and a chasing of the wind, and vexation is not spared for all the days of all men's vain unprofitable lives that they may actually worry and get emotionally connected to have a very serious life experience in vain of pointless foolish... the word of the Lord
ecclesiastics read all of it and shut up
[complex!? what like a spider's eye? is the human brain complex enough
for you to be able to realize you just contradicted evolution conclusively by
accident from the liar's side on public TV and you nor anyone else caught
it!!? The deceived are immune to Truth]
Upon landing in America they noted the abundance of convenient fruit trees and many other natural marvels and said the same thing: there's no way possible this rich land came to be so nice naturally but someone made it this way.
[it should be a severe pain to be able to maintain evolution as the
scientific fact of the origin and arrangement of all the universe and all
life and then to blunder it all over a dirt bug plaza or some landscaping.
I don't wanna force no beliefs no ways I just want it to be a severe endless
migrain to say evolution especially when they site
time periods and use specific references to time]
Make no mistake: drrwin's theory of evolution by natural selection isn't just the best theory we got (in fact it's proven false) it isn't an innocent mistake no EVOLUTION IS A LIE and must be treated as such.
____________________________________________________________________________________
Then the worst thing ever is the fantastic notion that either science OR religion may true
but clearly not both.
THIS LITTLE HUMDINGER OF A LIE IS A REAL PIECE FO POUTY TAUT BASTARD SLIPPERY BUGGER MOTHER NATURE MUGGER IMPINNABLE DOWN AND UNPROVABLY FALSE BY REASON OF the UTTER NONSENSE it's made of as you know. Because of this it can be especially tricky to dispel or even alight. Simply stating that God and God's word line up scientifically with the scientific community perfectly every time. If you want to find out for yourself it's just a matter of research. Statements like that have no impact whatsoever on the foolish/deceived.
First of all, we skipped a step, 'science or religion' not 'science & God's word = mutually validating' but again making the distinction between religion and God and God's word is foolishness for a fool. And the more specific and clear I ever made any point of expressing from among the truth I only ever always pushed them further and further from clarity with ever fine description and explanation I sincerely poored out.
It's a training program like the Karate Kid. Time you figure it out and rest from carrying the truth to the lost you about GodProOF from here on out.
okay
sooo......
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
...vanity says the preacher, all is vanity and a chasing of the wind, and vexation is not spared for all the days of all men's vain unprofitable lives that they may actually worry and get emotionally connected to have a very serious life experience in vain of pointless foolish... the word of the Lord
ecclesiastics read all of it and shut up
@Archaeo Well said (minus the harsh language). What they teach us in schools has been proven wrong adn purposefully kept it in the schools so that we grow up with that foundation of evolution.
I consider myself a christian, yet my understanding of god differs from other christians. I believe in a higher existence that we as mere humans will never be able to comprehend. I chose to be christian not because I agree how the church portrayed god, it serves for me as a ethic framework. Religions usually form by trying to explain the unexplainable. For one, they tried a long time to explain the mysteries of the world. Science so far did a good job explaining many dynamics in this world so far. Yet, we cannot ignore the fact that many things in our universe are probably never going to be explained just simply because of physical limitations we as humans have sitting here on planet earth. In a sense, christianity helps me to fill the void that the infinity of space and therefore this infinite information gap leaves me with. Is it perfect? No, but it adds purpose to my life which I otherwise probably wouldn't have.
@Jesusplayschess Are you saying that the reason you accepted Chritianity was JUST to anwser your questions? If you are a Christian, you should believe the Bible. God says in the Bible to follow his commands,
....almost as if no matter how excellent and complete education is in the human condition it is merely a shadow...
There is no school of The Kingdom of Heaven
I'll tell you about all day long. Nobody particularly cares...
______________________________________________________________________________
Congratulations, @Jesusplayschess ! You are on God's Way for YOU to be brought home to God's Heaven forever! Although the battle is won and Victory is assured and victory is yours and it's a done deal yet there remains some residual life left to live....I know
See you there, man!
p.s. (((((I wouln't make fun of Jesus like that unless you knew absolutely certainly that Jesus plays chess AND wants everybody to know about it. I mean of people did you just go and pick the most dangerous person in the universe to just mock and make fun of!? mmmm [Archaeon shaking head slowly back and forth in sympathetic disapproval] you shouldn't gone and said that...)))))
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!
`, /
There is no school of The Kingdom of Heaven
I'll tell you about all day long. Nobody particularly cares...
______________________________________________________________________________
Congratulations, @Jesusplayschess ! You are on God's Way for YOU to be brought home to God's Heaven forever! Although the battle is won and Victory is assured and victory is yours and it's a done deal yet there remains some residual life left to live....I know
See you there, man!
p.s. (((((I wouln't make fun of Jesus like that unless you knew absolutely certainly that Jesus plays chess AND wants everybody to know about it. I mean of people did you just go and pick the most dangerous person in the universe to just mock and make fun of!? mmmm [Archaeon shaking head slowly back and forth in sympathetic disapproval] you shouldn't gone and said that...)))))
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!
`, /
@BlackBishop9319
One can be an atheist without of denying the existence of god. All it needs, is that he doesn't believe in god. Do you understand the difference? Sorry for asking but I've seen many discussions where believers don't seem to understand it.
Not believing in the existence of god does not equal believing that god does not exist.
Atheist doesn't need to belief neither that
(a) god exists nor that
(b) god doesn't exist.
The reason he's called an atheist, is that he does not have the belief that god exists.
i. I don't believe the statement that god exists. There is no kind of evidence. Also the thought of any evidence sounds ridiculous to me.
ii. I do believe the statement that god does not exist. I think it's much more likely that all gods are man-made, imagination, result of human's psychological needs, answers to man's insecurity. Of course I can't prove god's non-existence due to god's supernatural nature i.e. god's non-empirical characters. But neither can anyone else disprove any supernatural deity that I imagine. We can imagine infinitely supernatural deities. But it would be insane to believe in anything that you can imagine and not disprove. Eg. I can imagine that the universe was created by a yellow 20-sided dice, that rolls outside of the universe and tries to drive its car on too crowded parking lot. And I can imagine that all that happens now is up to 1,000,000 different deities that lurk inside Sirius and have physical properties that we can't imagine. Now, you can't disprove them.
There are so many arguments against believers' arguments in the internet I won't repeat them here. Not-believing is basically just being consistent, logical and intellectually honest.
Basically, religions with supernatural things like gods are based on self-deception. They are based on the belief in something that hasn't been given sound reasons to believe in. People believe in them because they get some psychological satisfaction such as security, hope, peace, from them. not because they find them convincing.
One can be an atheist without of denying the existence of god. All it needs, is that he doesn't believe in god. Do you understand the difference? Sorry for asking but I've seen many discussions where believers don't seem to understand it.
Not believing in the existence of god does not equal believing that god does not exist.
Atheist doesn't need to belief neither that
(a) god exists nor that
(b) god doesn't exist.
The reason he's called an atheist, is that he does not have the belief that god exists.
i. I don't believe the statement that god exists. There is no kind of evidence. Also the thought of any evidence sounds ridiculous to me.
ii. I do believe the statement that god does not exist. I think it's much more likely that all gods are man-made, imagination, result of human's psychological needs, answers to man's insecurity. Of course I can't prove god's non-existence due to god's supernatural nature i.e. god's non-empirical characters. But neither can anyone else disprove any supernatural deity that I imagine. We can imagine infinitely supernatural deities. But it would be insane to believe in anything that you can imagine and not disprove. Eg. I can imagine that the universe was created by a yellow 20-sided dice, that rolls outside of the universe and tries to drive its car on too crowded parking lot. And I can imagine that all that happens now is up to 1,000,000 different deities that lurk inside Sirius and have physical properties that we can't imagine. Now, you can't disprove them.
There are so many arguments against believers' arguments in the internet I won't repeat them here. Not-believing is basically just being consistent, logical and intellectually honest.
Basically, religions with supernatural things like gods are based on self-deception. They are based on the belief in something that hasn't been given sound reasons to believe in. People believe in them because they get some psychological satisfaction such as security, hope, peace, from them. not because they find them convincing.
@laatikko It is true that made up gods exist and are everywhere. But that is from man being made to worship, but sin makes us worship objects instead of the Trinity, I guess you could call our nature to worship, insecurity.
Atheist - a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Atheist - a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
@BlackBishop9319
in fact you have no idea why you're arguing with and attempting to lead or guide in any way @Jesusplayschess . You just sorta reflexively always do although no one told you to. Someone did tell you that you have one lord and one master. Someone did say all the law and prophets hang on the first two commandments. someone did say ,' do not cause your brother to stumble whatever you think is so right to eat. someone did say I am the true shepard, the sheep know my voice, i go in through the gate ... by the straight way through the narrow gate ... and someone did say you men in this world have very feeble faith and you understand nothing and when you think you know god and offer to teach other men you have become the greatest fools of all men at best ... worst case scenario is a false prophet who teaches and guides men in the name of god wrong-like....God actually hates that
salvation is god's plan and god's responsibility and you can't stop it or help god achieve it. if you want to be on god's side focus on fellowship and devotional time. ask the Lord who made who and who just got dropped off at school... and don't discourage anyone who says he has success in life and believes in Christianity...what are you suicidal?
in fact you have no idea why you're arguing with and attempting to lead or guide in any way @Jesusplayschess . You just sorta reflexively always do although no one told you to. Someone did tell you that you have one lord and one master. Someone did say all the law and prophets hang on the first two commandments. someone did say ,' do not cause your brother to stumble whatever you think is so right to eat. someone did say I am the true shepard, the sheep know my voice, i go in through the gate ... by the straight way through the narrow gate ... and someone did say you men in this world have very feeble faith and you understand nothing and when you think you know god and offer to teach other men you have become the greatest fools of all men at best ... worst case scenario is a false prophet who teaches and guides men in the name of god wrong-like....God actually hates that
salvation is god's plan and god's responsibility and you can't stop it or help god achieve it. if you want to be on god's side focus on fellowship and devotional time. ask the Lord who made who and who just got dropped off at school... and don't discourage anyone who says he has success in life and believes in Christianity...what are you suicidal?
This topic has been archived and can no longer be replied to.