@Archaeon "salvation is god's plan and god's responsibility and you can't stop it or help god achieve it." So you are saying we should all just sit back and watch? God commands us to spread the word, and in a way, disproving the #1 religion (Atheism) is helping.
Great great video. Please watch.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DXs3B9uEuI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DXs3B9uEuI
Please everuone ... Don't feed the troll !
everyone*
This looks like a troll thread, but anyway.
I believe only in god, not in the Bible, not in Jesus Christ, and I follow no religion. These are man's creation.
I believe only in god, not in the Bible, not in Jesus Christ, and I follow no religion. These are man's creation.
@lifsitch Jesus is God, God made the Bible and commanded us to believe it, and believing in God is a religion. I am not a troll, I just like to discuss or even argue religion.
@lifsitch "I believe only in god, not in the Bible, not in Jesus Christ, and I follow no religion. These are man's creation."
(Now if Ionly knew how to broadcast crystalline lucidity and perfect clarity in my content and by measure of my expression demonstrating truly Knowing when and how much is appropriate), as we are all among fools, and no fool will ever recognize enlightenment. sooo...what?
@BlackBishop9319
so it is only a great fool who purports to lead men about in this life of mystery and ignorance. And do it for God they all say. But ask yourself, pray, study the word more closely and see if it isn't true! Nobody told you to teach men the way it is. Your understanding of what you are claiming to have knowledge of and more over, authority to teach others is soo limited you have no idea how it works at all, clearly, don't do what you are doing! Don't do it for ME? Don't say I said do it. or that I said that. But instead of really trolling you hard and psychologically bringing my enemies into utter submission I'm giving you the benefit of my integrity, kindness and good judgment and as you may simply, and i mean simply, be sincere in your efforts with good will towards men in your heart. Well then if so, think now, think real hard...What do I want to see between men and among people? Indoctrination into religion? Rituals? sacrifices? traditions? Universal uniform understanding? Comprehension? Brain stuff? What am I after? huh. have you even read the Holy Bible? Arguing? Disappointment my stars of the gospel alive today don't understand I NEVER want you to bicker with or contradict the lost. They're lost. The truth is gonna take time to sync up. Matter of fact I will prepare their hearts and I will show them the truth. For it is by no other means men see. Remember the transfiguration of Christ on the mountain when they were enveloped by a cloud and peter, i think , said 'is it good for us to be here?' who was eager to cut out knowing indeed this was not good to be here now because God scares people alive or dead. Jesus said 'who do YOU say I am, peter? and peter said 'you are the Christ of god!' 'and Jesus said don't worry for flesh and blood has not shown you this but only my father in heaven. so did Christ just say that even though HE himself was their direct teach and they spent all their time together and Jesus told them as much but when he straight asked and peter got it right he said only the father could have shown you which proves to me you are all good Pete!
So why don't you concentrate on demonstrating the virtues of the spirit in whatever you do but especially in your dealing with others and worry not at all about how they will ever come to the truth. God managed to reach Helen Keller who was blind and deaf from birth. now that is truly sad to us to think such a wretched soul would slowly come to know life, born into this cursed life so alone, and never even know, never have a way to understand her situation by any means.
While this makes me feel strongly sad, I know it was not so for her. i know that when she finally overcame her lonely sentence of silence and found communication that someone had offered her too the gospel and to lead her to God. She said thank but I already know Him! How is that possible? I know YOU didn't teach her @BlackBishop9319 !
But Helen Keller represents how keen our senses our now in the Kingdom of Heaven. This world and this life is but a shadow by comparison. so just how smart are ya? We are blind naked miserable wretched and poor and we don't even know it! And we teach others the way to God!
I hope this helps. For me this is inescapable. I can't hold back but I am compelled against my own better judgment because I am a prisoner of the truth and of the gospel of the Lord, Jesus Christ.
And it is certainly not hate. But this authority is very painful indeed so that's where you get the unapologetic i'm not asking - sorta attitude of - I'm telling you and you get to benefit from the free knowledge - and not too patient but more - let's go - faster faster faster - where's my whip, come on - God! you guys are killin' me!
No @BlackBishop9319 . not a chance. you have no idea what you are teaching. you teach as a human man who also was taught and hand down the story from which you learned. you site references from the bible and have to sorta translate out the supporing evidence of whatever your saying from an ancient story....without going on lets skip THAT part of what I'm doing here because i'm the only one qualified to do it so If I don't it's sin . a real sin.. and imagine a person from heaven who's lived with god for 100,000 years and is among the earth. And if he has occasion to share in his faith. Try to imaging the difference between someone painting a picture based off of a description from a book in words and an artist who renders directly from live view of the target image. What a difference.
It's all about love. Love your brother. if that means he needs to be fed the word then by god give him the word and people are so complex and psychology is too deep for simple and you can't anyone's all in all. but if you can demonstrate love for your fellow man you have acceptance from God.
That is your job and punishment
(Now if Ionly knew how to broadcast crystalline lucidity and perfect clarity in my content and by measure of my expression demonstrating truly Knowing when and how much is appropriate), as we are all among fools, and no fool will ever recognize enlightenment. sooo...what?
@BlackBishop9319
so it is only a great fool who purports to lead men about in this life of mystery and ignorance. And do it for God they all say. But ask yourself, pray, study the word more closely and see if it isn't true! Nobody told you to teach men the way it is. Your understanding of what you are claiming to have knowledge of and more over, authority to teach others is soo limited you have no idea how it works at all, clearly, don't do what you are doing! Don't do it for ME? Don't say I said do it. or that I said that. But instead of really trolling you hard and psychologically bringing my enemies into utter submission I'm giving you the benefit of my integrity, kindness and good judgment and as you may simply, and i mean simply, be sincere in your efforts with good will towards men in your heart. Well then if so, think now, think real hard...What do I want to see between men and among people? Indoctrination into religion? Rituals? sacrifices? traditions? Universal uniform understanding? Comprehension? Brain stuff? What am I after? huh. have you even read the Holy Bible? Arguing? Disappointment my stars of the gospel alive today don't understand I NEVER want you to bicker with or contradict the lost. They're lost. The truth is gonna take time to sync up. Matter of fact I will prepare their hearts and I will show them the truth. For it is by no other means men see. Remember the transfiguration of Christ on the mountain when they were enveloped by a cloud and peter, i think , said 'is it good for us to be here?' who was eager to cut out knowing indeed this was not good to be here now because God scares people alive or dead. Jesus said 'who do YOU say I am, peter? and peter said 'you are the Christ of god!' 'and Jesus said don't worry for flesh and blood has not shown you this but only my father in heaven. so did Christ just say that even though HE himself was their direct teach and they spent all their time together and Jesus told them as much but when he straight asked and peter got it right he said only the father could have shown you which proves to me you are all good Pete!
So why don't you concentrate on demonstrating the virtues of the spirit in whatever you do but especially in your dealing with others and worry not at all about how they will ever come to the truth. God managed to reach Helen Keller who was blind and deaf from birth. now that is truly sad to us to think such a wretched soul would slowly come to know life, born into this cursed life so alone, and never even know, never have a way to understand her situation by any means.
While this makes me feel strongly sad, I know it was not so for her. i know that when she finally overcame her lonely sentence of silence and found communication that someone had offered her too the gospel and to lead her to God. She said thank but I already know Him! How is that possible? I know YOU didn't teach her @BlackBishop9319 !
But Helen Keller represents how keen our senses our now in the Kingdom of Heaven. This world and this life is but a shadow by comparison. so just how smart are ya? We are blind naked miserable wretched and poor and we don't even know it! And we teach others the way to God!
I hope this helps. For me this is inescapable. I can't hold back but I am compelled against my own better judgment because I am a prisoner of the truth and of the gospel of the Lord, Jesus Christ.
And it is certainly not hate. But this authority is very painful indeed so that's where you get the unapologetic i'm not asking - sorta attitude of - I'm telling you and you get to benefit from the free knowledge - and not too patient but more - let's go - faster faster faster - where's my whip, come on - God! you guys are killin' me!
No @BlackBishop9319 . not a chance. you have no idea what you are teaching. you teach as a human man who also was taught and hand down the story from which you learned. you site references from the bible and have to sorta translate out the supporing evidence of whatever your saying from an ancient story....without going on lets skip THAT part of what I'm doing here because i'm the only one qualified to do it so If I don't it's sin . a real sin.. and imagine a person from heaven who's lived with god for 100,000 years and is among the earth. And if he has occasion to share in his faith. Try to imaging the difference between someone painting a picture based off of a description from a book in words and an artist who renders directly from live view of the target image. What a difference.
It's all about love. Love your brother. if that means he needs to be fed the word then by god give him the word and people are so complex and psychology is too deep for simple and you can't anyone's all in all. but if you can demonstrate love for your fellow man you have acceptance from God.
That is your job and punishment
Hiya! I'm GOodProOFWretCH and I din't get that way on my own. but I was abandoned but forget that! ah ha ha ha
GOdProOF WretCH is here now offering a fresh perspective and edification for the Aetheist to whom my heart goes out to you. I truly understand the difficulty involved in some of the most important possible theoretical or otherwise, it makes no difference, decisions you will ever be faced with.
So don't miss out on the bible just because 'GOD' doesn't exist. See that? You are not required to believe anything or to sell your soul or compromise your values in any way to simply sample the Word.
This is what the word say's about the word: -------------- Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Now! There's concept I woulda never thought of to describe anything! Could it be true? I know it to be true. And I know it is for you too. If God is real then He would not have you suffer ignorance or miss joy just because you didn't believe in Him. If God is simply allegory or otherwise then all the more reason to check out this book is from out of this world!
A seasoned person who has experienced life and knows the world and the human condition can read the stories in the bible and recognize they truly are not of this world because no liar would ever make up something so fantastic and unbelievable as the steady miracles and salvation of Lord God who rules from up on high. A liar couldn't think of this stuff. you can't make this stuff up. Certainly not to organize men and start a cult and control people. All who do that use real ideas that make sense. Fingerprints of the truth.
The truth is self-evident. you may become acquainted with this concept through searching out the jewels and benefits from the Holy Word of God. Don't miss it for the world!
GOdProOF WretCH is here now offering a fresh perspective and edification for the Aetheist to whom my heart goes out to you. I truly understand the difficulty involved in some of the most important possible theoretical or otherwise, it makes no difference, decisions you will ever be faced with.
So don't miss out on the bible just because 'GOD' doesn't exist. See that? You are not required to believe anything or to sell your soul or compromise your values in any way to simply sample the Word.
This is what the word say's about the word: -------------- Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Now! There's concept I woulda never thought of to describe anything! Could it be true? I know it to be true. And I know it is for you too. If God is real then He would not have you suffer ignorance or miss joy just because you didn't believe in Him. If God is simply allegory or otherwise then all the more reason to check out this book is from out of this world!
A seasoned person who has experienced life and knows the world and the human condition can read the stories in the bible and recognize they truly are not of this world because no liar would ever make up something so fantastic and unbelievable as the steady miracles and salvation of Lord God who rules from up on high. A liar couldn't think of this stuff. you can't make this stuff up. Certainly not to organize men and start a cult and control people. All who do that use real ideas that make sense. Fingerprints of the truth.
The truth is self-evident. you may become acquainted with this concept through searching out the jewels and benefits from the Holy Word of God. Don't miss it for the world!
@ laatikko very nice point!
Btw, let's troll the trolls: not sure you can disprove that human born without supernatural feelings. Believers, you can stop here and continue your predictable line.
For others, idea is simple:
- people who grew up in wild, without connection to civilization
- prehistoric people
- some researchers state that chimpanzee have rituals ( *evil laugh addressed to Believers who didn't stop *)
curious, that's quite counterargument to the point that supernatural is acquired knowledge. Definitely simple and naive, but still.
Point is, it's thing everyone must honestly and coldly get from himself. Not from parents\friends\books\etc, but your first child feeling about what is around. Mine was very clear: fear of death without understanding how and why you got "here and now" mind. Completely none stupid Gods nor anything human like, with what you can pray or talk, but the point you can see, hear, and think. It's still sort of supernatural though.
Btw, let's troll the trolls: not sure you can disprove that human born without supernatural feelings. Believers, you can stop here and continue your predictable line.
For others, idea is simple:
- people who grew up in wild, without connection to civilization
- prehistoric people
- some researchers state that chimpanzee have rituals ( *evil laugh addressed to Believers who didn't stop *)
curious, that's quite counterargument to the point that supernatural is acquired knowledge. Definitely simple and naive, but still.
Point is, it's thing everyone must honestly and coldly get from himself. Not from parents\friends\books\etc, but your first child feeling about what is around. Mine was very clear: fear of death without understanding how and why you got "here and now" mind. Completely none stupid Gods nor anything human like, with what you can pray or talk, but the point you can see, hear, and think. It's still sort of supernatural though.
@hal9k What is the "very nice point"? laatikko has stated that "One can be an atheist without of denying the existence of god." If you look up what Atheist means - a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Though in this culture, all believe there is a creater, we have just suppressed it.
- A question for all to anwser: The Bible has many rules that God commands us to follow, like don't lie, steal, think evil thoughts, lust, etc. Everyone would have a major change in their life style to follow these commands. Do you honestly believe in Evolution because of the "facts" or because you don't want to have to obey these commands??
- A question for all to anwser: The Bible has many rules that God commands us to follow, like don't lie, steal, think evil thoughts, lust, etc. Everyone would have a major change in their life style to follow these commands. Do you honestly believe in Evolution because of the "facts" or because you don't want to have to obey these commands??
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