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@BlackBishop9319:
> So if I asked you how we got here, you would say "I don't know"?
> That would be reasonable except that you haven't tried to know. I mean, by
> laws of logic, something had to have been here forever, something had to
> have designed this world,

This is utter nonsense and it has already been addressed in #132 two weeks ago, and in more detail in #129 in this thread, but since you are obviously too lazy to read here first and think that all others have as short memories as you do here it is again, in short:

> I mean, by laws of logic, something had to have been here forever

And which "laws of logic" should that be? You were quite vocal in telling us that the universe couldn't be eternal because it has to have a creator. At the same time you tell us that "god" is indeed eternal and doesn't have to have a creator. Don't you see some inconsistency in your own argumentation?

> something had to have designed this world,

And here it is again: "my toaster was built by some company, so the universe must work the same and also have been built by someone". No, the first is not a reason for the second to be true. In fact, most of the world doesn't work like everyday experience suggests - like i have shown in #129 using the example of the Uncertainty Principle, which you ignored. Following your "logic" one could ask: "i know exactly where my football is and it can't be *here* and *there* at the same time. So why should sub-atomic particles behave different?" The answer is: because they *are* different - quite like your toaster and the universe. And because something is true for one doesn't mean it is true for the other too.

(Sadly, i expect to repeat that once 5 pages have passed.)

> "hey what are the odds the universe has exactly

That is another piece of flawed logic: you cannot make a statistical argument based on one single case. If the universe wouldn't allow for life to exist we wouldn't be here and argue why we do not exist. How many universes exist (or have existed, will exist, ...) with no life in them we don't know.

And last but not least, the epitome of ignorance:

> billions if years ago, nothing exploded and made everything

And from where do you have that? Right now, using the general theory of relativity and the non-zero Boltzmann-constant, we can calculate back to a point where numbers become infinite (approx. 14 billion years ago) and so further calculation becomes meaningless. This is called the "singularity". What was "before" (take that "before" more metaphorically because time started at that singularity and without time "before" has no meaning) - nobody knows. Among other possibilities there is:

- "something" exploded. Note: not "nothing", but since you don't have any idea of physics the difference doesn't matter anyway.

- nothing "exploded" but in fact a contraction that happened before was reversed at that point because the universe is fluctuating

And your last fallacy is: you argue from a preconceived opinion backwards: there must be a god because you believe in one and therefore you only see what meets with your opinion. Everything else is either ignored, buried under reams of quotes from a bronze-age text that states that bats are birds and whale are fish - if this was written by god he failed biology 101 - or similarly done away with.

Instead of wanting to find out the truth or get at least as close to it as possible you just make up silly stories which purport to explain everything as long as one can keep his eyes shut to ignore reality.

krasnaya

@Archaeon You sound like you want to shout and cuss at me, but not get called out on it. hence the (just kidding!) parts. i don't even know if we're debating, all i'm getting a bunch of bible verses and stories.

@krasnaya - well said, thank you!

@SpyroSE

if you view the bible (especially the old testament) as a collection of stories about this "god" that people who wanted money and power made up, then the book will suddently make SOOO MUCH more sense!

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"Archaeon I'm not exactly sure what that had to do with what i said, you just presented a cherry picked chapter from the bible that sounded pretty and sweet, of course the bible needs to include things like this if it wants to get any followers whatsoever, may i remind you that that same book also contains just as many passages where god reveals himself to be bipolar, sadistic and wicked."

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A whale swallowed a person?

A person that a whale swallowed lived?

A whale that swallowed a person is busy with God's good work and will surely deliver that person wherever they need to be?!






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so as I fail to recognize intelligence in you then who has failed?
your communication skills?
My detection skills?
if you don't understand something then it doesn't make any sense, is that it?

it may awful hard to accept but it just boils down to the simple
fact
that any way you look at it
what YOU said about the bible
can not be right









getting anything yet?





you can't understand a word I say

you're blinded by God

the truth is gibberish to you


ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

do you believe the truth is self evident?

show me how smart you are by answering this question right, PieroaST

Right on cue, AronRa releases his Kunt Hovind debate synopsis.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnnVXBkune0

@Archaeon said (before a monkey on LSD snatched the keyboard from him):
> if you view the bible (especially the old testament) as a collection of stories about this
> "god" that people who wanted money and power made up, then the book will suddently
> make SOOO MUCH more sense!

Especially the old testament?? Let us see: there is a young woman. She is pregnant. Nobody knows by whom, but definitely not her husband. Three old men come. They bring precious gifts.

Just follow the money....

As i don't intend to respond to anything this spammer, ahem, writes, any more, on something completely unrelated, namely the "afterlife":

The only reason some of us believe in an "afterlife" is because we (or rather: they) don't understand the phenomenon "life" as well as we understand the phenomenon "buttered bread" or the phenomenon "book". Once the bread is eaten, its eaten and once life is over, its over.

Nobody would try to find an "afterbread" on the empty dish after he finished eating the bread and nobody tries to look for an "afterbook" behind the last page of read book. But of course, when life ends, there is an afterlife after that. Yes, sure....

krasnaya

God evolved when a prayer from the future meant for the past collided with a transcending interdenominational what-have-ya bathtub all purpose inter-dimensional alternate universe switching feature keeper clicker and they both disappeared for 500Billion powers of Graham's #$!

finally it formed into a single cell that would eventually create the universe for the first time.

And that baby cell is how babies are still forced to divide and specialize tissues until maturity and final;ly (hahaha) DEATH which you don't have to think about getting girlier friends anymore... useful and i gotta see this!

so that's that it:

History of God
Origin and meaning of life
mans purpose
afterlife (full version extra long cut)
and how to always be full of pure joy even if you have been kidnapped and they tied you up and then brought in a too cute actress to do a favor for you while you are helpless....not little but most consider a BIG favor! even now you can focus think about your priorities and future and keep on focused and let this little 'distraction' get you down. not now champ. now you're gonna get through this despite what these thugs think...
and last but not least of course Religion finally fully explained and revealed for the first time and final time.

as long everone is clear
lazlo avon clinic spill
proof casket latchet
motown poobrown
comfounded frown sound like an old dirty hound's flea bite resound
mission passion potion friction
fritters kitties curious pretending
twitters rhythm flickers on her off her and over againers lights blinking eyes nights dusking slope sssslippery no trickery doc dictor hock hater talk spader shock testing highlights commentary tell ya nothing quick whats the hurry skater tazers tumbled tomorrow and they're off now but
no, but, lo debt, tis true, and behold
how much money you got on you?
what if i could double it?
do you think i would ever lie to you. not a real question impossible to answer.

why o yhw does a cat have nine lives
but then again why does a sadistic sociopath get a job in healthcare industry |it is a fact. stastical totally well known| so they are afforded many chances to inflict pain on victims patients people who are already hurt so nobody can blame them for nothing

if you are really the son of a hall of famer
What punchline from a notoriously not funny yet somehow classic joke
is real REAL funny when misused with this great joke from our keeper

it's called who let the sun up again.
sigh is nigh and nigh is all. all is always
aand stays steady straight clocking mugs from here to san antoine

murder mystery twist ending comprended following featured pictures plot grip damage comotose countenance finally forsaken familiarity flopped often oftly scoffed an jus' left desolate...but it's 9 o clock cause the chimes snatch your stately stench into a vicious pattern of habit of routine cycle repetition redundancy do over one more time double feature dejavous copycat down down twin surprise confirmation 2timey playbyplay it again sam and how's that go? and answer and echo for the price of a call you can make a white hair speckle absolution indulgency tubbiness harkly mire procedural interventiion abortion self destruct sequence panic affectation outer lying far reaching lesser known effectual preaching teaching on your toes if you play wrong on the wise size of the rose the right one clockin off on all bad guys . just bringin in the bad guys all day!

if all the animals in the world each and every insect and fish and all creatures got into a single file line randomnly or mixed effectively non patterneded followed by all the trees plants and lichens and the like
form a paralel line next to the animal line and there are only two bathrooms but theyre marked plant or space ----- something the word is not there yet.... which bathroom do you choose. and you gotta cut in line..but oh ya...what a strange line and even stranger both lines like that... RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER! TOO weird
answer. no bathroom . all illusion. just phantom need to piss. just a dream. just relax. w;;;ll piss tomorrow in the rain in you dreams becuzz you are never going to sleep piss much

as promiest : L Ife means everything. and you don't have to know that to experience all of it....knowing it or think you understand anything is an important way to miss out... so just know and don't wonder and live like a wild worm always eating dirt like dirt is just this delicate vaginy cacophony of serendipitous delight divinely provided at our feat .no we don't believe you worm.. you are stupid to us... dirt's not good. don't eat that

when good apples go bad and other stories that will bring the forth of july back into her ass and your heart and of course your pocket book
. how many times have we got a nickel for that/ ?
so we pick it up at what last we undonely deferrred befer closing last time
what was it. fifty seven leprechaun sunshine fool ya surrender underwear fool in the rain keys locked in the house home alone mail man whole separate thing and his having to deal with yours and...Amazzon! package brightening for so short moment we can go in and use the exesstressitee
outlet now what and i gotta take a ....number 9 dream out to the next shore to be a glory gore or a boring horror something funny as tragedy that could never have happened so bad as that that it is it suggests funnily i suppose as funny gets .. goes beggin' like lolly pop fans finding facilities fit for a sucker spitty sticky break pad rest area..to take a nap in sappy

if chess strategy does not translate into practical strategic or otherwise valuable true Intel by 420 i will destroy chess forever

we see
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Light_spectrum.svg

less than 1 percent of the full spectrum of electro magnetic radiation....99 % of light and whatever it exposes is unknown to us. and we think we can see. but we can see we are blind yet this only exacerbates the preexisting condition which of course does qualify and makes a true paradox - rare in nature but real as in unbelievable to contradict itself and yet is...hmmmmmm

bagel donuts long careful signatures lines patience foreplay torture court stenographer sorta epic show of boringest apathy to die for but death wont rise up any closer to the devastation, flat tire, beer belly, pay the piper, come up


and the other needful things brought to by hell corporation - Yeah! we do all that shit!


mail order bride from Russia or china
so many choices
two

reeses are stealies
silence is true
if fakin is bacon
and
i'm lying is me dyin'
then
what would be the quickest way to measure and extrapolate chess strategy and translate into practical value before jesus ends the world i guess?

Betty is better ahead of brother
pete has no socks
lea is not next to a left handed albino
stacy is spaced out to play. forget her but also take any moment and just stare at her. she really does not notice and it's eerie
bob has a fish
the whole banks is out of money exept 10.40 in change
who is gonna be nice to a dick in a post apocolyptic wasteland of
fiercest pissed off tiger competition and stakes so high that risk can't afford to get involved...
when one woman is soo fucking hot but can speak well and act good but you still won't notice but no one ever nails her as it should
and they messed with tthee wrong buttrice this time
and you got egged and toilet papered ... vandals! curses!
but now the but hurt has a plan to take back everything he never knew he was fight for which still incalculably inexplicable unescaping uhhhmmmmm variable .. he still didn't know how much he was in store for saving 3 worlds and getting all the babes in perpetuity in eternity with the no aging feature and all hot damsels for all time all are ready for this hero has the right stuff and he won't just kill the bad guys but he will fucking out bad them and make everything just so much worse...they shouldn't fucked with him..but damn sure not his brother but NOT his car, man... no.

si habla mas executonaris

spandex accordion accordingly afforded weird al yancovick 4 story 4 multiplying more satire musicically period 65.000.88 dollars
six o clock sharpen up that smile and smarten your slaphappy
press you luck and be on your tippiest non engaging statement presenting which does not command or ask but also must not be revealed...hang on.

technical difficulties bring in the end
of the matter and the mess
and the witch with the char on her breast
and the crixtian crucifies fires her trials tiring life long longing to be free from flame attitude to test her to the death
doth damn bequeath methinks an ass kicking eternal. i sure will

is in order..those fuckers burned innocent women all the time.. for free

coupons cost time time cost you sleep...sleep is can't sleep
then set the clock back so you gotta rush? now or do we have more time? and they call you in early and you just


so right when she pointed at him as her hand finally synced into full pose a bird shit did beset her index pointer as it point and shit on that judgmental ass bitches judge everybody all the time don't even scared thinks me no likey brad pitt and upstairs kitty litter makes more sense than 2 by two or too by fore or even four bi for by ate that makes earthquakes rather tea party downer drowned her clown uh found uh cocktail spike effects take life full version sorta plus we gotta clean up all this and fuuuckk she's dead...wtf

if you are thinking you are simply too late

well nothing

i swear to god

the end of atheism and creation (OFFICIAL)

This makes a lot more sense than everything else in this thread put together. vast margin.....astronomically disproportionate of meaning everthing everywhere as nothing could be clearer to just shitin in circles together like a fucking reuniun of a dog chasing his tail for entertainment dead boredom is the cause symptom and plan for revenge soon...just wait for it... surpise

fuu... forgot what i was gonna say here

and even if a man could read it
he could never read it out loud fast enough good enough

@krasnaya
krasnaya: "@Archaeon said (before a monkey on LSD snatched the keyboard from him):
> if you view the bible (especially the old testament) as a collection of stories about this
> "god" that people who wanted money and power made up, then the book will suddently
> make SOOO MUCH more sense!"

no archaeon quoted SpyroSE who said


@SpyroSE:

"if you view the bible (especially the old testament) as a collection of stories about this "god" that people who wanted money and power made up, then the book will suddently make SOOO MUCH more sense!"

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"Archaeon I'm not exactly sure what that had to do with what i said, you just presented a cherry picked chapter from the bible that sounded pretty and sweet, of course the bible needs to include things like this if it wants to get any followers whatsoever, may i remind you that that same book also contains just as many passages where god reveals himself to be bipolar, sadistic and wicked."

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and answered him but well and can't imagine what you could possibly saying now. if you would actually read enough context to comprehend anything you would also know that what you said above does not make sense either. don't need to read it.

monkey/!?

ok... hmm

i don't masturbate like a monkey.. well ya maybe a caged monkey
but i definit;uy don't sleep like a monkey
i don't even have a tail.

i think YOU are monkey when i read YOu r important business papers your mother cared so much for

but slow down.. easy take it easy

i pardon you

FOREVER

maniacal clavaccord

hey @krasnaya

when it's over like my word
it lives on

and like your word...what was it?

afterlife too good for someone else to have a valid point about?

arrogant bastard judgmental waaay the fudge over the line..that's a foul

you just killed a man you could not be bothered with to understand and without understanding dissmissed and drecried him and left him desolate. publicly posting this judgement

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you.

fool, repent, you're going to hell [so you don't go to hell]