Coronavirus

@Doodbro
The economy is not a sentient being; it is a way of summarizing the actions of a group with regards to the day-to-day choices of the individuals in instances where there are limited resources and unlimited wants. It cannot, therefore, value, profit, or exploit; rather, individuals within society do these things.

Also, as stated previously, the term "weak" is a relative term. In order to use it, you must have something to compare it to. The same goes for "high inequality"-- you need a frame of reference for relative claims. Unless, of course, your use of these is based upon clearly defined parameters.

Regarding the stability, the US economy is highly stable, it just suffered a major shock on both supply and demand. Calling it unstable is like calling someone who got simultaneously hit by two seperate buses traveling in opposite directions "weak".

90:
Let me get this straight:
You want to:
Improve quality of life, employment, AND reduce resource extraction?
That seems...unlikely. Unless you want to go all the way with your Malthusianism by advocating for people to stop washing their hands when they get COVID.

BTW cooperation is not necessarily a good thing. In fact, it is illegal in the United States for businesses to collude. The sole purpose of that is cooperation by firms almost always hurts society, while competition almost always helps society.

@Doodbro #90 I agree whole heartedly with you there, but it bears no relation to the topic at hand (covid19) it is important we keep discussions within the issue of the particular post in order to stay organized and it is also respectful. There are plenty of political topics open already.

#82

The response to this virus is wrong. It should have simply been left alone like any other virus such as flu that has killed millions and millions of people or being fat which kills a million people every few months, or HIV that has killed more than 30 million people.

Do your best with prevention and cure obviously, but don’t turn the world into a concentration camp, and don’t ruin economies. People die every day, and millions of people will continue to die, if not from Corona those same weak people will unfortunately die from something else, it is unfair to hurt OTHER people’s lives just because you are immune compromised or very old.

When world economy is hurt THAT is the thing that kills MORE people. When money supply is increased by 1% that raises price of bread by a tiny bit and in Africa thousands of people die from starvation right there! Our pathetic governments are willing to kill those people in order to buy votes of the old weak people here by showcasing to them how Hitler-like they are in their “powerful” responses with this concentration camp-like policies.

It’s just the wrong response.

@clousems 91

Re para 1: Of course the economy is not a sentient being. Why on Earth would you say that? The main problem is that the economy does not value the qualities that support sentient beings. In fact, it devalues the qualities that support life- it sucks as much out (extracts) as it can with the only quality concern being: Is it profitable? Not: Is it harmful? The economy has always been dissociated from the two most important contexts wherein it exists: the planet and the people. It takes, but it doesn't give back (enough). It's like comparing a healthy organic garden to a large monocrop. The garden soil is improved through use. The monocrop depletes the soil, needs to be doused in synthetic chemicals, and yields an inferior product while also yielding negative externalities. I think you'll never understand this while you're operating within the artificial framework of economics, especially since you're far-right.

#95

Economy is wealth of a nation. US economy is the largest, this is why most people want to live in USA. USA turns away millions of people from entering it every year, it’s by far the #1 destination for refugees, immigrants, workers, illegals, medical and other tourists, and so on. It is the place where a person has the best chance to have the best life BECAUSE OF the economy being the best. Because again, economy is wealth. It’s very simple.

America is where the most people are able to escape poverty and get out from under the thumb of dictatorial governments. Free Market American Economy Capitalism has built the largest Middle Class in history of Earth. This is the place where poor become rich if they choose to get off their ass and do something that other people may want or need in their lives, and are thus willing to pay you for it.

Back on Corona virus. Stop living in fear!

Cortisol which raises when you are scared suppresses the immune system, this is where virus comes in easier. This is why the weak and the scared get ill more often. The strong people who are not scared of this nonsense are the survivors. The strong survive.

@clousems 91

More re para 1: "... it is a summary ..."

You make it sound as if the government and other powerful players do not command much of the economy, that the common person does have any power or real choices, when they do not. It's akin to saying slaves had power and choices and slavers passively "summarized." I suspect that you understand the things I say, but your goal is to try to invalidate them by talking like a phoney politician, to gaslight, for the purpose of maintenance to the unjust socioeconomic system from which you believe you will profit. The "socio" cannot be divorced from the "economics"! You can quote me on that.

@clousems 91

Re para 2 and 3: You did in para 3 that which you claimed in para 2 that I am doing wrong: You claimed the US economy is stable without comparing.

And my comparison is the US economy pre- and post-event. I'm comparing it to itself at different times, which is entirely valid.

@Kusokosla

Your comments need "Eye of the Tiger" playing loudly.

@clousems 92

Absolutely, while decreasing hours worked per worker. How can we do all that? By changing industry to a model that not only respects Nature, but utilizes the brilliance of Nature. Watch some biomomicry videos. Nature solves problems elegantly. Industrial Homo Economicus is a knuckledragger.