@smhwhcoetsloetoeo said in #40:
> It won't stop it, but it will reduce it. Gun control may not reduce the number of wannabe criminals overall, but it reduces the harm that they are able to do.
No. Building a gun is not rocket science. If there are no legal gun sellers, criminals will just create their own gun shops and build them themselves to sell them.
> You can always argue all you want about what would and would happen, or you can just look at the facts. Look at any European country. Look at Canada. Look at Australia. Look at Japan. They all have dramatically less gun violence than the US. Maybe, huh, because guns are not normally allowed there?
There are many other factors into consideration. To start, the US is the biggest economy in the world, also the biggest drug market in the world. There are huge organized crime rings to move those drugs and other things, like people and other types of contraband. While other countries have also organized crime, its not even close to size, as the illegal markets are way too small in comparison. They dont need guns as much. Also because there is less cultural differences in those countries. Allow me to expand on that.
Ever heard of Juarez City? AKA the most dangerous city in the world for some years?
Juarez city is border with El Paso TX. And something went terribly wrong.
It is located in the state of Chihuahua. The biggest state in Mexico out of the 32 states, but 30th in inhabitants/km2.
Nearest city is over 400 km away. Even though we are Mexicans, we are pretty much disconnected from the rest of the country, we speak Spanish, but we had our own hybrid culture between Mexico and El Paso. It was a very peaceful city, virtually no crime.
How the hell did it became the most dangerous city in the world? What happened to the population that became violent?
Nothing. The native population did not became more violent. People came from other parts of the country because the city became the hub for import/export to the US. There was no organized crime here. It came from somewhere else. Each wave brought an even move violent gang than the previous. Thats what happens when you allow massive waves of foreigners. And this is between the same "Culture" Its even worse when its a different culture. BTW, we have "gun control"
If criminals dont have guns, they will find somewhere to get them or to make them themselves.
> I am sorry but "the US are just crazy" is really not a convincing argument lol.
The US passed a golden age, people were very comfortable, so new generations have had a great life, they never faced any kind of hardships, but now, the economy is crashing down, people cant pay their rent, they cant afford food, they live a life with a lot of stress. There are zombies walking on their streets. Those protected generations just lost their bubble shield and now are facing a harsh reality. Males are not able to find dates, they are sex deprived, there is a constant narrative that they are useless, white males are told constantly that are undesirable, racist among other things. Of course they are going to snap.
And then, on the other hand, the black community has the problem of no father figure. Women cannot raise males, at least not competent ones, for the most part.
Then you have mass legal and illegal immigration, with a lot of criminals crossing the border and people from different culture not integrating with the existing culture.
That creates a lot of social separation. The guy next to you on the bus might not even speak English.
The race card that gets shoved in the face over and over and over from media and politics.
Its quite depressing.
> With gun control, you can't randomly decide to go buy a gun or an assault rifle and go rob a bank with it, or kill the guy who owed you money, or add your name to the glorious list of US school shootings, or snipe the President, or a podcaster you didn't like.
There could be many situations, conditions, reasons etc. for that train of thought except randomness. Behind all of those instances, there is a very troubled person who was the result of the environment.
> It is not rocket science. If you reduce the number of guns on the market, you also reduce the access of criminals and future criminals to guns. And before you go on with your "authorized guns" vs "illegal guns", how do you think illegal guns reach the (black) market? They don't appear out of thin air. They started as authorized guns.
Come on, you can even 3d print them. Its really not that hard to get a hold of a weapon, not even in the UK or any other part of the world.
> As a last point, I would like to mention that the argument of "having guns to defend yourself" is just a terrible idea. When someone holds a gun on you, trying to pull out your own gun is the best way to make sure they WILL shoot you. If guns were an efficient way to defend oneself against crime, the crime rates in the US would not be so high, would it?
If some one is holding a gun against me, by default it has to be assumed that he/she is going to shoot me. Might as well take him with you and have 1 less criminal on the streets. If you want to leave your life and/or your family in the good conscience of the criminal, be my guest. I wouldnt.
