What's wrong with deflating my inflated rating and working my way up?

@AlligatorChomps said in #6:

As stated and to repeat, I would like to simply start at 1000 and work my way up by increments of 10-20 based on my opponent's rating.

But your rating isn't, never has been and probably never will be 1000. You manipulated it to be a fake one.

That was also not what I stated. I don't care about the ratings. I just want to start at 1000 and work my way up by increments of 10 to 20.

So you do care?

@Gingersquirrelnuts said in #11:

But your rating isn't, never has been and probably never will be 1000. You manipulated it to be a fake one.

The implication is that it will never "reach" 1000. Are you implying that? If so, why pair up a <1000 player or 1500 player against a 1900 player only to see them plummet? If you are saying I am under 1000, then you really want to see me lose more to get to my real true rating?

If you are saying I am or could be over 1000, then I ask the same thing but with one additional aspect. Why can't people work their rating up? How does it harm the system? At worst a player gains about 3-6 points and if they aren't that strong then they will surely lose them. Why is big fluctuation preferred over smaller fluctuation?

So you do care?

Of course. I want to play 1000, go to 1020, then 1040, then 1060, then 1080 and then finally reach 1100 if I am 1100 or higher. Is it diabolically crazy to think like this? Do we have GMs get their 2500 rating and then send them off to a 10 player invitational with 2750 GMs? Usually those players have achieved something (maybe junior tournament or top women's player), but on the whole you can be sure that players stick within a certain range.

@AlligatorChomps said in #10:

It's funny to see people get so triggered

Yep.

@mcgoves said in #13:

It's funny to see people get so triggered
Yep.

That is misquoting me.

This is what I really stated.

It's funny to see people get so triggered on these words and assume the worst in people.

But you are showing the same behavior, read fewest words and assume the worst in people.

You are the one getting triggered by a word. The rest of us are annoyed that you don't understand how the ratings algorithm works. And are loud about it.

I did not misquote you. I pointed to a portion of your quote that we're all familiar with because you said it 18 minutes ago! Sheesh!

@mcgoves said in #15:

You are the one getting triggered by a word. The rest of us are annoyed that you don't understand how the ratings algorithm works. And are loud about it.

Which word? I thought the accusation would be that I am triggered on a number (more specifically losing numbers).

I did not misquote you. I pointed to a portion of your quote that we're all familiar with because you said it 18 minutes ago!.Sheesh!

Then apparently you don't understand the English language. If you chop off part of it, you CAN and OFTEN DO change the meaning.

"Bob will buy bread if he goes to the store tomorrow."

a) Bob will buy bread tomorrow.
b) Bob won't buy bread tomorrow.
c) Bob might buy bread tomorrow.

Let me know which one you think is the answer. It might surprise you.

But rating isn't like getting points in a football league season where you start at zero and work your way up 3 points at a time.
You play games and eventually you have enough results for your rating to be worked out. The more games you've played, the more accurate it gets.

Having checked out the games where you've seemingly been trying, it looks like your real rating is probably 1400+, maybe even more. You'll now need to play a lot for your rating to become accurate. And in the meantime, the rating of everyone you play will become a bit more inaccurate. I don't see why you don't think that having people at the wrong rating messes up the system for players.

@Gingersquirrelnuts said in #17:

it looks like your real rating is probably 1400+, maybe even more.

So, why subtract or add 250? When we sign up for an account we should be able to give an assessment like 1500. If we state we are 1500 then the rating change should be smaller when winning or losing. If you win, you won't play someone who misdiagnoses themself higher then. They will be below 1500.

I am only using 1500 because that is what currently is being used. It could be 1100.

@AlligatorChomps said in #8:

Apparently, it doesn't.

Apparently you don't understand it.

I am not finding that the case. Sometimes, when I create an account I jump to 1700 and even 1900 at times because the pairings gave me that advantage. Then, I fall. Fine, I am not 1900. I am not disputing that. However, when you start at 1500, get to 1700 from one win you are NOT 1300. That is ridiculous pairing. And I am not even talking about stalling or cheating. The number rating change system alone needs improvement.

Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. When you have a high RD (I said low but I meant high), which all new accounts do, then your rating will jump a lot. As you play more, it will jump less. Of course your accounts will have a high RD if you keep creating new ones (which is also against the Lichess TOS, by the way). Hopefully you get IP banned soon.

I am not doing it to change their rating. When my rating goes down 50-100, theirs up 3-6, they either are that much stronger or they will eventually lose those points within 1-3 games. I on the other hand have to earn back those 50-100 points. Using your words, "I'm surprised you don't find it obvious."

I didn't say you were trying to change their rating. They logged into Lichess for a game of chess, not for someone to resign to them on move 2.

I just create a new account and play the next new first player. If they don't like me playing to get to 1700 after first game or building up from 1100, then maybe they should rethink how they dish out points (either positive or negative).

Again, a new account will have a high RD and your rating will change a lot, which is what you are trying to avoid.

I don't control the lichess server. I can only give suggestions that should help pair us up better.

They could pair you up better if you stopped throwing games.

I have a feeling you've been doing this for a while, keep getting banned, and creating more accounts. I don't know if Lichess IP bans people, but this seems like a case where they should if you don't stop doing this.

@AsDaGo said in #19:

When you have a high RD (I said low but I meant high), which all new accounts do, then your rating will jump a lot. As you play more, it will jump less.

They logged into Lichess for a game of chess, not for someone to resign to them on move 2.

A game of chess where my rating jumps around a lot? Let's do the math.

A 1300 player wins their first two games and gets a rating of 1800+s. That means they will fall 500 points. This also means people are playing them with that huge of a difference.

I am not going down to 300 or 600 or even 900. I think working on 1000-1500 is ideal for me and if I want to, I shouldn't be punished for it. If I can beat 1500s easily, then you can shift it to 1100-1600. After that 1200-1700, and so on. I honestly don't see the problem with that.

Just because I don't want to "get lucky" winning against a 1800 player shouldn't invalidate my joys in chess. I had meaningful games to study after I went down to 1000 and worked my way up.

Again, a new account will have a high RD and your rating will change a lot, which is what you are trying to avoid.

But it will also give me the flip of the coin where I could play a 1700 rated player. If I fall down to 12-1300 there is no way I am going to stick around until I go back up to 1700 when I can just make a new account and get there sooner.

See how stupid these high fluctuations (you call it doctor backwards)?

I have a feeling you've been doing this for a while, keep getting banned, and creating more accounts. I don't know if Lichess IP bans people, but this seems like a case where they should if you don't stop doing this.

Or, they can listen to my ideas and try them. Why do nothing and have an army of followers spewing hatred in my direction?

I didn't create the system. I can only work with it to get the results I want. I want to work my way up from 1000.

I want to EARN my points.