This is absolutely the last straw. These are the kinds of messages you get when you try to defend yourself against cheating. I’m in the 1800 Elo range and people play like grandmasters. I report players regularly — and what happens? Exactly: nothing. Absolutely nothing.
This reference to the report button is a bad joke. Does anything at all even happen when you report someone? I don’t think so.
I can compare it quite well: I’ve been on Lichess for a year now, and before that I spent a year on Chess.com. On Chess.com I got weekly notifications that opponents of mine had been banned. Here? Nothing. Complete desert silence. And then you send messages like this. You can spare yourselves that.
Yes, this is a rage post. But it had to be said. Cheating here has gotten completely out of control and nothing — absolutely nothing — is being done.
Looks like I’ll have to go back to the commercial option: Chess.com.
This is absolutely the last straw. These are the kinds of messages you get when you try to defend yourself against cheating. I’m in the 1800 Elo range and people play like grandmasters. I report players regularly — and what happens? Exactly: nothing. Absolutely nothing.
This reference to the report button is a bad joke. Does anything at all even happen when you report someone? I don’t think so.
I can compare it quite well: I’ve been on Lichess for a year now, and before that I spent a year on Chess.com. On Chess.com I got weekly notifications that opponents of mine had been banned. Here? Nothing. Complete desert silence. And then you send messages like this. You can spare yourselves that.
Yes, this is a rage post. But it had to be said. Cheating here has gotten completely out of control and nothing — absolutely nothing — is being done.
Looks like I’ll have to go back to the commercial option: Chess.com.
I feel you.
I never accused anyone publicly because here I am a guest and respected Lichess rules.. but two weeks ago I reported a player who play three game at 99, 98 and 97 accuracy despite I also played well and we both go in very complex situations (the games weren't short).
Plot twist the alleged cheater lose 2/3 of the games on time, because it will take 7-10s even in opening..a red flag that IMHO screams how badly he was placing moves in a game engine and copying results.
Outcome up to today was nothing happened.. I still have moderately hope it may be just matter of time.
What IMHO Lichess don't get is that what make a deterrent effective is the trust people have in it.
If people believe that nothing happens when someone cheated bad thigs may happen, like:
- more people will try to cheat
- less users will report, because losing faith
- less users will join the community
So end of the years numbers are good to display how moderation operate, but IMHO some kind report feedback would be very useful to let users feel moderators at work (there should be a way to handle it without revealing "sensitive procedures")
I feel you.
I never accused anyone publicly because here I am a guest and respected Lichess rules.. but two weeks ago I reported a player who play three game at 99, 98 and 97 accuracy despite I also played well and we both go in very complex situations (the games weren't short).
Plot twist the alleged cheater lose 2/3 of the games on time, because it will take 7-10s even in opening..a red flag that IMHO screams how badly he was placing moves in a game engine and copying results.
Outcome up to today was nothing happened.. I still have moderately hope it may be just matter of time.
What IMHO Lichess don't get is that what make a deterrent effective is the trust people have in it.
If people believe that nothing happens when someone cheated bad thigs may happen, like:
- more people will try to cheat
- less users will report, because losing faith
- less users will join the community
So end of the years numbers are good to display how moderation operate, but IMHO some kind report feedback would be very useful to let users feel moderators at work (there should be a way to handle it without revealing "sensitive procedures")
My experience is very different... In the past year, I have ONCE played a player, who during the game I felt was likely cheating. (We lost connection for maybe 20-30 seconds several times, and wach time he came back, he played instantly. Of those, 3 moves 'felt' peculiar, but postmortem analysis shows the computer liked them). I was suspicion enought that I considered reporting it, but then something came up off-line, and I did not bother...
Two days later, I log in to the message of a rating refund. Curious, I checked that players profile, and the account was indeed suspended.
Your experience may be different, but I for one feels the Cheat-detection system is working.
My experience is very different... In the past year, I have ONCE played a player, who during the game I felt was likely cheating. (We lost connection for maybe 20-30 seconds several times, and wach time he came back, he played instantly. Of those, 3 moves 'felt' peculiar, but postmortem analysis shows the computer liked them). I was suspicion enought that I considered reporting it, but then something came up off-line, and I did not bother...
Two days later, I log in to the message of a rating refund. Curious, I checked that players profile, and the account was indeed suspended.
Your experience may be different, but I for one feels the Cheat-detection system is working.
@CG314 said in #3:
My experience is very different... In the past year, I have ONCE played a player, who during the game I felt was likely cheating. (We lost connection for maybe 20-30 seconds several times, and wach time he came back, he played instantly. Of those, 3 moves 'felt' peculiar, but postmortem analysis shows the computer liked them). I was suspicion enought that I considered reporting it, but then something came up off-line, and I did not bother...
Two days later, I log in to the message of a rating refund. Curious, I checked that players profile, and the account was indeed suspended.
Your experience may be different, but I for one feels the Cheat-detection system is working.
Same here.
@CG314 said in #3:
> My experience is very different... In the past year, I have ONCE played a player, who during the game I felt was likely cheating. (We lost connection for maybe 20-30 seconds several times, and wach time he came back, he played instantly. Of those, 3 moves 'felt' peculiar, but postmortem analysis shows the computer liked them). I was suspicion enought that I considered reporting it, but then something came up off-line, and I did not bother...
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> Two days later, I log in to the message of a rating refund. Curious, I checked that players profile, and the account was indeed suspended.
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> Your experience may be different, but I for one feels the Cheat-detection system is working.
Same here.
YACP... not worth further attention
YACP... not worth further attention
I have reported a couple of players, and most of them got banned. Some within minutes, some within days, and - as expected - some not at all.
So if your experience is different, maybe it's because you are reporting the wrong users. We all think we are great cheat detectors. But unfortunately, this is not the case.
People are completely convinced their opponents must be cheating, often based on some accuracy score, or they play lines they didn't even consider, or the famous online/offline-blinking.... but those are not good indicators.
I am very grateful for the work of the anti-cheating team here, and extremely happy that people do not get banned blindly on some user's reports, but instead on individual investigations.
I have reported a couple of players, and most of them got banned. Some within minutes, some within days, and - as expected - some not at all.
So if your experience is different, maybe it's because you are reporting the wrong users. We all think we are great cheat detectors. But unfortunately, this is not the case.
People are completely convinced their opponents must be cheating, often based on some accuracy score, or they play lines they didn't even consider, or the famous online/offline-blinking.... but those are not good indicators.
I am very grateful for the work of the anti-cheating team here, and extremely happy that people do not get banned blindly on some user's reports, but instead on individual investigations.
Since when accusing people of cheating is a defense against cheating? What exactly are you obtaining? Better mood?
Because I would argue that you obtain worse mood, since you choose to keep thinking at your perception of injustice instead of reporting and moving over.
Since when accusing people of cheating is a defense against cheating? What exactly are you obtaining? Better mood?
Because I would argue that you obtain worse mood, since you choose to keep thinking at your perception of injustice instead of reporting and moving over.
do you have just one single tiny little damp of a proof for your statements that are accusations?
do you have any hiss of an idea of what all ways of playing strong, of normal (e.g. good and bad days, e.g. comeback after long break) and unnormal (e.g.playing tired, drunk, careless, worn from work) legal span in ratings, there are and how very difficult it is to tell these volatile values from actual cheating?
did you even inquire your suspicions? do you know how to do that? or do you go by belly feeling, intuition? or by games you really didn't want to lose, as criteria?
my problem with people who don't know what they're talking about, in real life will make them follow any pied piper on bad tracks and become an organized power within society ...
...built on mere assumptions that can easily be refuted on a second look
do you have just one single tiny little damp of a proof for your statements that are accusations?
do you have any hiss of an idea of what all ways of playing strong, of normal (e.g. good and bad days, e.g. comeback after long break) and unnormal (e.g.playing tired, drunk, careless, worn from work) legal span in ratings, there are and how very difficult it is to tell these volatile values from actual cheating?
did you even inquire your suspicions? do you know how to do that? or do you go by belly feeling, intuition? or by games you really didn't want to lose, as criteria?
my problem with people who don't know what they're talking about, in real life will make them follow any pied piper on bad tracks and become an organized power within society ...
...built on mere assumptions that can easily be refuted on a second look
I've gotten refunded several times now within 2 years
reassuring me that cheating is being taken care of
simple fact
face it
I've gotten refunded several times now within 2 years
reassuring me that cheating is being taken care of
simple fact
face it
This 'Cheating' is just your opponent seeing a move or line that you didn't.
This 'Cheating' is just your opponent seeing a move or line that you didn't.
