Hey friend. It's pretty clear that you're upset and tilted and it's causing you to lose massive rating. Just take a break for a few days, all right?
@Toadofsky but this is an indirect method and very slow. Also I don't know if they can be 100% sure somebody is cheating.
@pointlesswindows Here's a recent game by idindoonuffin:
6 Inaccuracies
5 Mistakes
11 Blunders
100 Average centipawn loss
Your concerns are that somehow you can tell better than the moderators who is or isn't cheating, and you can't put in the 10 seconds to prepare a report because you don't get instantaneous feedback, but would instead prefer to communicate accusations in the forums which will go unobserved by moderators and never acted upon. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your concerns.
6 Inaccuracies
5 Mistakes
11 Blunders
100 Average centipawn loss
Your concerns are that somehow you can tell better than the moderators who is or isn't cheating, and you can't put in the 10 seconds to prepare a report because you don't get instantaneous feedback, but would instead prefer to communicate accusations in the forums which will go unobserved by moderators and never acted upon. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your concerns.
Go drink some milk and return. i think it's the beatings that knocked all your senses out. *intergity*
You think a 1400 is a computer because they take free material. Maybe you were just overrated at 1500.
You think a 1400 is a computer because they take free material. Maybe you were just overrated at 1500.
@Toadofsky we do not understand each other.
I didn't ask for a computer ananlysis of his game.
How do you know if I send or not cheater's feedback?
Where did I say I prefer to communicate accusations in the forum?
What the hell you are talking about??
I didn't ask for a computer ananlysis of his game.
How do you know if I send or not cheater's feedback?
Where did I say I prefer to communicate accusations in the forum?
What the hell you are talking about??
#15 You asked:
"how could we know if we play against a cheater or no?"
and I answered that question: you could know by reporting the suspected player.
and you answered that there are problems with my answer: you said that reporting players is "indirect" and "very slow"... as opposed to what? Reporting a player is easy and fast, and sends immediate feedback to the moderators. (Many players prefer to accuse their opponents directly in the forums or the discord server and think that filling out lichess.org/report is too indirect and think that moderators will immediately act, when the reality is that using the report form is the only direct solution and directly contacting moderators just results in them telling you to use the report form.)
I don't know what feedback you provide, but given your argumentative stance I made an assumption that you're being obstinate.
Your other concern is:
"I don't know if they can be 100% sure somebody is cheating."
If there's been a murder and a suspect is on camera carrying the murder weapon immediately following the murder and there's nobody else within a 50-mile radius, we can't be certain that the suspect is the murderer. 100% certainty is hard to come by. What's your point?
"how could we know if we play against a cheater or no?"
and I answered that question: you could know by reporting the suspected player.
and you answered that there are problems with my answer: you said that reporting players is "indirect" and "very slow"... as opposed to what? Reporting a player is easy and fast, and sends immediate feedback to the moderators. (Many players prefer to accuse their opponents directly in the forums or the discord server and think that filling out lichess.org/report is too indirect and think that moderators will immediately act, when the reality is that using the report form is the only direct solution and directly contacting moderators just results in them telling you to use the report form.)
I don't know what feedback you provide, but given your argumentative stance I made an assumption that you're being obstinate.
Your other concern is:
"I don't know if they can be 100% sure somebody is cheating."
If there's been a murder and a suspect is on camera carrying the murder weapon immediately following the murder and there's nobody else within a 50-mile radius, we can't be certain that the suspect is the murderer. 100% certainty is hard to come by. What's your point?
Hey, sorry that you lost rating... About your name, I can see why would it upset some people. Don't people call black people dindu's to make fun out of them? Maybe you are not racist and picked that name for whatever reason. I don't know.
But I'd like to say that weather you are white or black or asian or whatever you can still be a great person.
On a related note, does it really make much sense to say, "I am proud of being white\black\tall\american"? One does not earn these things, we are born that way, it is luck.
Anyway I looked at a game of yours and your opponent wasn't cheating (at least not with a good engine), seems to me like you were both playing like typical beginners. I'm not that good myself but I have analyzed parts of the game hopefully someone can learn something from my study!
But I'd like to say that weather you are white or black or asian or whatever you can still be a great person.
On a related note, does it really make much sense to say, "I am proud of being white\black\tall\american"? One does not earn these things, we are born that way, it is luck.
Anyway I looked at a game of yours and your opponent wasn't cheating (at least not with a good engine), seems to me like you were both playing like typical beginners. I'm not that good myself but I have analyzed parts of the game hopefully someone can learn something from my study!
@Toadofsky I would prefer to know myself for sure if somebody is cheating rather that ask somebody to check that for me. I can only suspect a cheater but I am never 100% sure. I guess mods also. And it is slow because mods have a lot of other work to do before looking into my report. It's irrelevant at this time whether I send such reports or not.
"but given your argumentative stance I made an assumption that you're being obstinate."
Do not judge because they will judge you.
I will ignore the murder story because it's silly.
"but given your argumentative stance I made an assumption that you're being obstinate."
Do not judge because they will judge you.
I will ignore the murder story because it's silly.
@pointlesswindows It's really not pointless whether you send reports or not. Sending reports is the way to know (as best as it is possible for anyone to know). I've read as much code, etc. as it's possible for the public to read about detecting cheaters and I can't be 100% certain without filing a report.
The only way you can be more certain than Lichess on such matters (if you prefer to know yourself for sure before filing a report) is if you have first-hand knowledge (you're watching the player cheat) or something like that.
The only way you can be more certain than Lichess on such matters (if you prefer to know yourself for sure before filing a report) is if you have first-hand knowledge (you're watching the player cheat) or something like that.
It is literally pointless. I got two "someone you reported was banned for cheating!" messages yesterday. Not a single point refunded because of the senseless 40 game rule. So 40 people he played hyperbullet against (without cheating) got free points. I'm not reporting again. It's to my benefit to just block him and not play him till he makes a new name, which he will do constantly.
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