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Italian experts (White): When do I play Bb3, when do I play Bxe6???

Strong Italian players (White): I've read in the past that in the Italian White looks to play Bb3 to preserve their strongest piece once ...Na5 becomes a possibility, but lately (for example in the SCC broadcasting while I type this) the strong players just let the Bishop chill on c4 very late into the game... Also after ... Be6 I've read that White should only play Bxe6 under very favourable conditions, but I'm seeing GMs play Bxe6 very often, with both ...fxe6 (which seems to give Black a strong centre) and (to my surprise) ...Rxe6 in reply.

As White any insights how I should be managing this LSB in the Italian in either situation!? Is it all situational or are there some guiding principles I can remember...
Not an expert but I'll try...

@ihcob said in #1:
> I've read in the past that in the Italian White looks to play Bb3 to preserve their strongest piece once ...Na5 becomes a possibility, but lately (for example in the SCC broadcasting while I type this) the strong players just let the Bishop chill on c4 very late into the game...
This IMHO depends on what black plays. Normally, Na5 is not much of a threat because the bishop can be moved into safety via the b5-a4-c2 dance (and there is also the option of b4 counterattack if black bishop is on c5). Once black plays a6, though, white loses this path so that Bb3 is often played in response to a6.

BtW, it's interesting that the h3 and a6 moves are often played in Italian (especially the "Modern" variant with c3-d3), even if most coaches hate these moves otherwise (when played without a good reason): black plays a6 to drive the white bishop away from c4 and white usually plays h3 to prevent Ng4 response to Re1 (played to prepare the Nb1-d2-f1-g3 transfer).

> Also after ... Be6 I've read that White should only play Bxe6 under very favourable conditions, but I'm seeing GMs play Bxe6 very often, with both ...fxe6 (which seems to give Black a strong centre) and (to my surprise) ...Rxe6 in reply.
That's a hard question. It seems to depend on position and also on player and his/her plans and personal preferences. Some players prefer the e6 trade, some rather hide the bishop on c2 even if it looks quite passive at the moment. Personally, even if I decide to allow the bishop trade, I prefer not to do it myself (by Bxe6) but rather let black trade with Bxb3. The reason is that fxe6 opens the f-file so that the black rook can be quite troublesome and at the same time the e6 pawn supports d5 which is then kind of inevitable and harder to deal with. And the white rook on semiopen a-file after axb3 can be quite handy later. But as I said, I'm far from an expert, rather an enthusiast.
Honestly, my best advice would be to ignore these forums and get a chessable course from a real expert (for example Gawain Jones, or an older Jan Gustafsson course even if it's dated, or another good course from a strong GM if you like the recommendations).

You have still the 30 days return period to make up your mind.

Sounds rude -> maybe on the first glance, but this question is very easy to misevaluate even for titled players and there are a lot of mistakes happening around those moves. It depends on the structures (pawn on a6 or a5, white with/without queenside advancement), the possibilties on the f-file and a lot of other reasons.

I would need hours to provide even a remotely satisfactory answer and I don't think that the average forum user would provide you with an objectively correct answer either (judging from the last opening discussions I was involved in).

And even if you have the fortunate luck to get a GM answer your question in depth you won't get the overarching framework and a a system one of the courses would provide.

*EDIT Substitute the course by a good course for White if you want White's perspective. You can also study games of Magnus, Hans, Caruana, Pragg and co but that might be rather difficult to pull off since Italian is quite subtle.*

That's just my two cents though.
I suppose Na5 isn't really scary in italian since people can play a4 there early very often, so they can hide their bishop on a2.

Also as long as black has a bishop on c5, you have some tricks connected with Na5, b4-fork, Nxc4, bxc5 and it's in white's favor. In some cases bishop can be traded on b3 for opening a-file. In other, after Na5 you can put your bishop on d5 so if takes, takes knight on a5 can be trapped (if black goes c6 after Bd5 you can sacrifice it on f7 and then trap the knight with b4, but it works only if black's king isn't castled).

I think your bishop can chill on c4 as long as it can go on a2 (so you played a4), or as long as black didn't castle + didn't hide their own bishop with a6+Ba7

Regarding Be6, fxe6 opens f-file but it's inconsistent to first place your rook on e-file and then take with f-pawn. That's why if you play Re8 then you will probably take with the rook.

I think taking with f-pawn have some advantages giving an initiative like open file, then some Nh5-Nf4 Qf6 ideas and some pressure. But it does spoil the pawn structure, and it's not good. So if one studies italian deeply, there are ways to neutralize black's initiative there I think. White always has some game on the queenside, you can trade a7 bishop by playing Be3 or/and maneuvre your knights Nd2-f1-e3/1h2 but I am not a specialist.

I don't play italian but I surfed a bit with database+engine
Interestingly enough, today Magnus was commentating on Hans vs Hikaru, and he was asked about Bxe6 structures.

According to him, Bxe6 being slightly better for white when they have more queenside space was a discovery "7-8 years ago". Goes to show that chess is always changing, new things getting discovered all the time.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJmSL2jd-A

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