Is Magnus Carlsen greatest of all time ?

The problem with ppl is that they want Fischer to be goat no matter what, even if Carlsen would be world champion 20 times in classical, and a rating of 3100. You cant do about it, because of the legacy when somone have died.
When Elvis or Michael Jackson died they become 10 times more popular. Hypotetically if Magnus died now then everyone think he is goat (exept many americans because they are very patriot and are not very objectively).
Forget Fischer, Capablanca, and so on...Magnus are the goat. The goat before Magnus was Kasparov, but Magnus have now surpassed him, because of the achiements totally. When Magnus beated Nepo for the titlematch then there is no question...Even many experts have that opinion.
If Magnus are not the goat then i want to be unserious too, then i want Lasker to be the goat. Because this discussion are so stupid if ppl want example Fischer to be the goat when he retired early, with his 1 official and one unoffical worldtitles.
Give me serious examples why not Magnus are the goat???

@Devil_fish said in #21:

> Give me serious examples why not Magnus are the goat???

He quit playing for the World Championship while he is still pretty much in the prime of his career. If he hadn't done that I'd have said he is the GOAT.

@Crapablanca64 said in #22:
> He quit playing for the World Championship while he is still pretty much in the prime of his career. If he hadn't done that I'd have said he is the GOAT.
It's just like say: "if i started to play chess from i was 5 i could be GM, but i started to play chess when i was almost 30".
Or i can say: "if your'e mother was a man".
You have to stick to facts...Fischer was not even the strongest chessplayer, Magnus are. (fact).

He was moked effortlessly by Hans Niemann, so the answer is a definitive: No!

@new_player_123 said in #24:
> He was moked effortlessly by Hans Niemann, so the answer is a definitive: No!
So you mean that Niemann now are the goat?
Niemann have barely reached 2700 in rating...and about 2 yrs ago the american lost to a NM at café chess, he blundered mate in one. So since Niemann lost to the national master then the national master are the goat, in your'e logic. Lol

@Devil_fish said in #23:
> It's just like say: "if i started to play chess from i was 5 i could be GM, but i started to play chess when i was almost 30".
> Or i can say: "if your'e mother was a man".
> You have to stick to facts...Fischer was not even the strongest chessplayer, Magnus are. (fact).

Not playing for the World Championship when he should have is a black mark on Carlsen's chess career. The question was about the greatest not the strongest. I would never say Fischer is the GOAT. He also has the black mark of being a quitter, and his time at being world champion was too short for me to consider him the greatest.

@Crapablanca64 said in #26:
> Not playing for the World Championship when he should have is a black mark on Carlsen's chess career. The question was about the greatest not the strongest. I would never say Fischer is the GOAT. He also has the black mark of being a quitter, and his time at being world champion was too short for me to consider him the greatest.
Lasker was world champion for 27 yrs. Nothing other relevant accomplishments. He was very good chessplayer, but with the time it have been stronger and stronger chessplayers. Capablanca example was very brilliant, he was genuis, but even him were knock down from the throne.
By computersimulations Carlsen have hypotetically 82% winningchanches over first world champion - Steinitz.
Carlsen doesnt playing for to be the goat, he playing only for his motivations. One of the reason why he not will defend the title is because the contenders are weak to really challenge and beat him for the title. Other reason are because of the format, an because of the all preperations. He is also exausted afterwards.
Carlsen are several times world champion in blitz, rapid, and classical. Highest rated ever...over 100 games unbeaten, and so on. No other can show something smilar. He is his own league.
If you dondt see this, its not my problem, when you mean he is not the goat.

"One of the reason why he not will defend the title is because the contenders are weak to really challenge and beat him for the title. Other reason are because of the format, an because of the all preperations. He is also exausted afterwards."

Why would he be exhausted, if his opponents are so weak?

There is no best really it depends more on your own definition of that term.

He appears to be at least as good as anybody past or present at 1 position of chess960 is about all that I can confidently conclude.

And if somebody believes otherwise that's great they are no less wrong or right than I am.

It just comes down to word games at this point.

@QathetMike said in #28:
> "One of the reason why he not will defend the title is because the contenders are weak to really challenge and beat him for the title. Other reason are because of the format, an because of the all preperations. He is also exausted afterwards."
>
> Why would he be exhausted, if his opponents are so weak?
It's a ton of preperations, more than you think...a reason why its exist "helpers". Carlsen havent really been threatened in those titledmatches, exept Karjakin and Caruana (lots of draws)
They are not very weak, but not just good enough to really outplay Magnus over many games...if Carlsen are really motivated he can play with 98-99% accuracy, or really outplay the opponent like he did against Nepo in that marathon-game.
Å reason why he came up with a statement that he would defend the title if Firouzja would be the contender.
A reason why he playing shitty openings or bad in the openings jn general online, then just to win the game. He is bored, and he is just so good. Very often he is dominated in the openings, (looks with certain purpose) the balance says he is 1 or two pawn down. But when they reaching to endgame he manage to draw or even win, many times he winning when he is dominated in the openings. But still he has sat a new ratingrecord with over 3370 on chess.com. sometimes he is deadserious sometimes not when he plays. He took a quick draw against Bortnyk in the last match on titled tuesday. Because of the draw he lost something about 12 ratingpoints. If Carlsen was 100% motivated he would cross 3400 long time ago, i think. But he is so arrogant in general when he plays so he just cross 3350 in first these days.