If you're not a titled player, people will assume you're just salty.

@CSKA_Moscou said in #10:
> Just an algorithm capable of detecting the use of an engine or any type of cheating

Sorry, nonsense! You can only detect an engine if Lichess is used for cheating. However only the rookie cheaters do this.

If you use a program or a second device for cheating there is no way to detect it unless you are careless.

Reminder, you will never ever get it ...

The admin team is assisted by

-Irwin looks for play characteristic of chess engines: github.com/clarkerubber/irwin

-Kaladin looks for play uncharacteristic of the players: github.com/lichess-org/kaladin

@Sarg0n said in #12:
> Reminder, you will never ever get it ...
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> The admin team is assisted by
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> -Irwin looks for play characteristic of chess

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> -Kaladin looks for play uncharacteristic of the players: github.com/lichess-org/kaladin

thank you for the links, I will keep them carefully to put them back in other forums, because this one is neither the first nor the last.

@Emanii said in #5:
>What I was saying in general is that 'weaker players' don't get the benefit of the doubt like titled players do.

And why should they? Do you seriously expect to be treated the same as folks who have been really dedicated to chess for decades? Then apply yourself for the next 20 years and become an IM or something; you'll get exactly the same perks after you put in exactly the same effort. If a guy with a solid reputation and experience claims somebody is cheating he's more likely to be right than somebody who started playing six months ago. Of course they're gonna care about what you say if you're famous; that's how life works.

@Emanii said in #5:
>You see how many players can basically escape consequence unless they happen to bump into a titled player on an alt.

You actually don't know this, because it's a survivor bias. If you think about it, there could be 10 million cheaters and 99.99% could get banned without notoriety. Then the thousand that are left get banned playing famous streamers, and you could take that as evidence that that's the only way they get banned; the reality is that you don't know what you didn't see and just assumed you saw the whole picture.

@JuicyChickenNO1 said in #14:
> And why should they? Do you seriously expect to be treated the same as folks who have been really dedicated to chess for decades? Then apply yourself for the next 20 years and become an IM or something; you'll get exactly the same perks after you put in exactly the same effort. If a guy with a solid reputation and experience claims somebody is cheating he's more likely to be right than somebody who started playing six months ago. Of course they're gonna care about what you say if you're famous; that's how life works.
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@JuicyChickenNO1 said in #14:
> And why should they? Do you seriously expect to be treated the same as folks who have been really dedicated to chess for decades? Then apply yourself for the next 20 years and become an IM or something; you'll get exactly the same perks after you put in exactly the same effort. If a guy with a solid reputation and experience claims somebody is cheating he's more likely to be right than somebody who started playing six months ago. Of course they're gonna care about what you say if you're famous; that's how life works.
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> You actually don't know this, because it's a survivor bias. If you think about it, there could be 10 million cheaters and 99.99% could get banned without notoriety. Then the thousand that are left get banned playing famous streamers, and you could take that as evidence that that's the only way they get banned; the reality is that you don't know what you didn't see and just assumed you saw the whole picture.

You sound like a loser and a defeatist. People like you are precisely why online chess is a cesspool. "That's how life works" is how losers reason.

@JuicyChickenNO1 said in #14:
> And why should they? Do you seriously expect to be treated the same as folks who have been really dedicated to chess for decades? Then apply yourself for the next 20 years and become an IM or something; you'll get exactly the same perks after you put in exactly the same effort. If a guy with a solid reputation and experience claims somebody is cheating he's more likely to be right than somebody who started playing six months ago. Of course they're gonna care about what you say if you're famous; that's how life works.
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> You actually don't know this, because it's a survivor bias. If you think about it, there could be 10 million cheaters and 99.99% could get banned without notoriety. Then the thousand that are left get banned playing famous streamers, and you could take that as evidence that that's the only way they get banned; the reality is that you don't know what you didn't see and just assumed you saw the whole picture.
Also if you had basic reading and comprehension skills you would have noticed how I pointed out that many of this accounts are active for years and don't get banned until they run into a titled player on an alt.

@Emanii said in #16:
> Also if you had basic reading and comprehension skills you would have noticed how I pointed out that many of this accounts are active for years and don't get banned until they run into a titled player on an alt.

When that occurs we can assume that the player does not cheat anything like all the time but saves their cheating for the game which really matters, the one against the master.

@Brian-E said in #17:
> When that occurs we can assume that the player does not cheat anything like all the time but saves their cheating for the game which really matters, the one against the master.
Yea, it could be the case where they can 'cheat less' and usually win the game. But regardless, the fact that someone could be cheating for basically 4 years undetected is disturbing.

@Emanii said in #18:
> Yea, it could be the case where they can 'cheat less' and usually win the game. But regardless, the fact that someone could be cheating for basically 4 years undetected is disturbing.

While no-one can be certain, I find it totally implausible that anyone can cheat for years here or on other servers with good cheat detection and not be detected. The scenario you describe most likely involved a player who had up until then played fairly but couldn't resist turning the engine on when they encountered an IM.

@Emanii said in #15:
>"That's how life works" is how losers reason.

Sure, but that's also how winners reason, because that's how adults reason. You're not gonna change the world to turn it into a place where every single person is entitled to the same level of attention. How would you do that? Where are the resources for that coming from? Humans have been that way for like 7000 years; I promise you you're not the one who's gonna change human civilization forever. You're full of innocence, but that doesn't deliver results. What you need is the ability to discern things you can't control from things you can; if you can do that you can avoid wasting your time and energy on pointless stuff.

@Emanii said in #16:
> Also if you had basic reading and comprehension skills you would have noticed how I pointed out that many of this accounts are active for years and don't get banned until they run into a titled player on an alt.

Turn on your brain for a minute here. How do you know how old the 10 million cheating accounts were? Maybe the average time to get banned is a couple years, or maybe some people start cheating after they hit a plateau or when they face famous players. We don't know the full picture and can't generalize anything. All we know for sure is that some cheaters got banned and you noticed it; everything else are opinions and assumptions.