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Honor, Decency, and Sportsmanship in chess

thanks, @corvusmellori .

Does that happen only with phone apps?

So far as I know, I've never played against anybody without an account. Or seen such a person.

Or at least KNOWN that I was seeing such a person.

How can we tell?

By the way, I agree that MOST people who come to Lichess are reasonable and polite and so forth. But the behavior described by the OP is not rare. Of course, I don't think it occurs only with Lichess, either. But that's not a reason to ignore it if there's a solution, as I hope most will agree.

thanks, @corvusmellori . Does that happen only with phone apps? So far as I know, I've never played against anybody without an account. Or seen such a person. Or at least KNOWN that I was seeing such a person. How can we tell? By the way, I agree that MOST people who come to Lichess are reasonable and polite and so forth. But the behavior described by the OP is not rare. Of course, I don't think it occurs only with Lichess, either. But that's not a reason to ignore it if there's a solution, as I hope most will agree.

thanks for answer corvusmellori

Oddly I have never seen the chat used. Not even an insult like "u suk" or "ur moma" after I lose a game.
Maybe I do suck and that's why people don't build up enough rage to require revenge on a text level.

thanks for answer corvusmellori Oddly I have never seen the chat used. Not even an insult like "u suk" or "ur moma" after I lose a game. Maybe I do suck and that's why people don't build up enough rage to require revenge on a text level.

@Noflaps said in #21:

Does that happen only with phone apps?

So far as I know, I've never played against anybody without an account. Or seen such a person.

Or at least KNOWN that I was seeing such a person.

How can we tell?

As long as you are logged in, you are never paired against anonymous accounts.
You need to log out from your account and then visit the Lichess site again (or use another device where you are not logged in).
You can play games "anonymous vs anonymous" in this mode.

And actually, my own experience when I do this occasionally is quite the opposite: I find it amazing that you get decent games at all with anonymous strangers of the internet - of course, many anons just abandon the game when in a lost position, but so what?

@Noflaps said in #21: > Does that happen only with phone apps? > > So far as I know, I've never played against anybody without an account. Or seen such a person. > > Or at least KNOWN that I was seeing such a person. > > How can we tell? As long as you are logged in, you are never paired against anonymous accounts. You need to log out from your account and then visit the Lichess site again (or use another device where you are not logged in). You can play games "anonymous vs anonymous" in this mode. And actually, my own experience when I do this occasionally is quite the opposite: I find it amazing that you get decent games at all with anonymous strangers of the internet - of course, many anons just abandon the game when in a lost position, but so what?

In #23, it is observed: "You need to log out from your account and then visit the Lichess site again (or use another device where you are not logged in)."

Shudder. Logging out? Of Lichess? Perish the thought! I'd sooner cut off a pinky!

Nevertheless, thanks for explaining the mystery. Well done, @Panagrellus !

In #23, it is observed: "You need to log out from your account and then visit the Lichess site again (or use another device where you are not logged in)." Shudder. Logging out? Of Lichess? Perish the thought! I'd sooner cut off a pinky! Nevertheless, thanks for explaining the mystery. Well done, @Panagrellus !

Incidentally, I just looked. They aren't actually pink. But I'd still sooner cut one off than sign out.

Incidentally, I just looked. They aren't actually pink. But I'd still sooner cut one off than sign out.

@litfinish said in #1:

Today I played 10 anonymous blitz games on Lichess and in every single game my opponent got a losing position and either left the game immediately, or let their time run out without making another move. This has happened in a majority of my games every time I have had the chance to play recently. In fact, it is only in about 5% of games that an opponent resigns when lost, or plays out to the end of the game. I have been involved in many competitive activities in my lifetime, in sports, academics, and gaming, and I never seen such a disgusting display of poor sportsmanship and low character. Why do we tolerate this behavior in our community, especially within a game that holds such prestige.

Lichess and chess.com should take measures to invoke stiff penalties to rid their servers of this behavior. It is tarnishing our game. It is an embarrassment.

You cant control how others deal with loss nor you can change the fact that there will always be someone who waits or presses x, so get over it and enjoy your victories against those - best revenge!

@litfinish said in #1: > Today I played 10 anonymous blitz games on Lichess and in every single game my opponent got a losing position and either left the game immediately, or let their time run out without making another move. This has happened in a majority of my games every time I have had the chance to play recently. In fact, it is only in about 5% of games that an opponent resigns when lost, or plays out to the end of the game. I have been involved in many competitive activities in my lifetime, in sports, academics, and gaming, and I never seen such a disgusting display of poor sportsmanship and low character. Why do we tolerate this behavior in our community, especially within a game that holds such prestige. > > Lichess and chess.com should take measures to invoke stiff penalties to rid their servers of this behavior. It is tarnishing our game. It is an embarrassment. You cant control how others deal with loss nor you can change the fact that there will always be someone who waits or presses x, so get over it and enjoy your victories against those - best revenge!

What's that saying, about changing the things you can change, ah yes,
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

What's that saying, about changing the things you can change, ah yes, God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

@litfinish said in #1:

Today I played 10 anonymous blitz games on Lichess and in every single game my opponent got a losing position and either left the game immediately, or let their time run out without making another move. ... I have been involved in many competitive activities in my lifetime, in sports, academics, and gaming, and I never seen such a disgusting display of poor sportsmanship and low character.

I have. And much worse.

@litfinish said in #1: > Today I played 10 anonymous blitz games on Lichess and in every single game my opponent got a losing position and either left the game immediately, or let their time run out without making another move. ... I have been involved in many competitive activities in my lifetime, in sports, academics, and gaming, and I never seen such a disgusting display of poor sportsmanship and low character. I have. And much worse.

@litfinish said in #7:

I said "Recently" and I wasn't just refering to Lichess. But again, I'm the problem. Question answered. You don't care about character or sportmanship.

Indeed, perhaps you are a bit of the problem...inasmuch as your "gentlemanliness" seems to vanish the moment you come up against alternate viewpoints. A phenomenon which (I notice) is generally the result whenever somebody starts up this type of thread/plaint.

@litfinish said in #7: > I said "Recently" and I wasn't just refering to Lichess. But again, I'm the problem. Question answered. You don't care about character or sportmanship. Indeed, perhaps you are a bit of the problem...inasmuch as your "gentlemanliness" seems to vanish the moment you come up against alternate viewpoints. A phenomenon which (I notice) is generally the result whenever somebody starts up this type of thread/plaint.

@Noflaps said in #17:

The world has changed, and it doesn't seem to be for the better. It's as if the social graces of former times are in shorter supply.

Yet chances are that it hasn't really changed for the worser either. After all, those "social graces" didn't keep von Bardeleben (for example) from walking out on all of his losses at Hastings 1895. Nor did they prevent tournament officials from allowing adjournment analysis (since everybody was of course going to do it anyway, whether it was prohibited or not). For the same reason, you're permitted to freely use opening books/analysis in Correspondence chess.

Not sure why people seem to feel that chess was a true Gentleman's Game (somewhere back in the mists of time). It's also worth remembering that there was another, darker side to that whole business of social graces: the fact that some fairly petty infringement upon the code could lead (often quite precipitously) to drastic results. Duels, for example. Two lunatics shooting at (and killing) each other...and all over some point of "honor." I'd say we're better off without quite so much "grace."

@Noflaps said in #17: > The world has changed, and it doesn't seem to be for the better. It's as if the social graces of former times are in shorter supply. Yet chances are that it hasn't really changed for the worser either. After all, those "social graces" didn't keep von Bardeleben (for example) from walking out on all of his losses at Hastings 1895. Nor did they prevent tournament officials from allowing adjournment analysis (since everybody was of course going to do it anyway, whether it was prohibited or not). For the same reason, you're permitted to freely use opening books/analysis in Correspondence chess. Not sure why people seem to feel that chess was a true Gentleman's Game (somewhere back in the mists of time). It's also worth remembering that there was another, darker side to that whole business of social graces: the fact that some fairly petty infringement upon the code could lead (often quite precipitously) to drastic results. Duels, for example. Two lunatics shooting at (and killing) each other...and all over some point of "honor." I'd say we're better off without quite so much "grace."