Dear Coaches, How Do You Handle Suspicions of Students Cheating During Lessons?

a say that if you use engines i will stop teaching you.

or if you still do it you should just play them in a 3 +1 gme so they can paly fast or for puzzle put a timer

People want to look smart. To the trainer, or to their peers and their parents,

Letting it run will only make it worse, though. They learn that cheating works, so they more likely cheat in the future. And it makes it virtually impossible to stop even if they'd like to. Their whole persona has been built around their fake strength based on engines. The moment they stop, they are exposed as a cheater and liar. Nobody wants that.

In an online academy I subscribed to, there is an explicit note that coaches are not idiots, and computer-assisted homework will not be marked.

Throwing in a couple of positions to make sure what's going on as suggested above is a good idea. There are many flavours of that.

@nadjarostowa said in #23:
> People want to look smart. To the trainer, or to their peers and their parents,
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> Letting it run will only make it worse, though. They learn that cheating works, so they more likely cheat in the future. And it makes it virtually impossible to stop even if they'd like to. Their whole persona has been built around their fake strength based on engines. The moment they stop, they are exposed as a cheater and liar. Nobody wants that.
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> In an online academy I subscribed to, there is an explicit note that coaches are not idiots, and computer-assisted homework will not be marked.
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> Throwing in a couple of positions to make sure what's going on as suggested above is a good idea. There are many flavours of that.

If the positions are optional then sure.

I had a coach, he was fine. I stuck with him the entire way through, I improved rapidly over time. The homework though? I didn't do most of it, don't get me wrong I studied but I wasn't passionate about it. That isn't where my improvement came from personally, it was the freedom to be able to do what was needed.

So I will be honest, if I got a coach that forced me to do homework; I would likely be seen as lazy when in reality this idea is very strict. It is anti to some learning styles, so you can employ this idea if you want but be wary because you really will drop off some good students if you aren't careful.

The more strict the learning style, the less interest. The less interest the less potential. The less potential, yes the less failure (or more in some sense) but the less opportunity. The less opportunity the less availability. The less availability the less likely a reality. The less likely a reality the less likely an eventuality.

In my opinion only the experts (not professionals) should be able to throw in mandatory positions with their games, because it is a hyper specialized idea; only for the most dedicated and determined will it jive with and can easily go wrong.

But you will have the student do some calculation work at *some* point? Be it live on zoom, or in a homework assignment... at one point the student will have to do some work. And the OP obviously has the student do some work, or he wouldn't have gotten suspicious. It easily tends to happen in live classes with kids, where some cannot resist to shine by turning on the engine. And if you see this but are not sure, there you can throw in one of the "test" positions to be sure, and then take it from there.

In the academy I use, homework is purely optional. You can decide each week for yourself. You don't have to submit. My guess is that it's mostly young players who are under surveillance by their sponsors and are expected by them to participate to take the easy route. I mean who hasn't copied some school homework before the lessons? I know I did, and others copied mine in other areas. We surely didn't feel bad about it back then.

@nadjarostowa said in #25:
> But you will have the student do some calculation work at *some* point? Be it live on zoom, or in a homework assignment... at one point the student will have to do some work. And the OP obviously has the student do some work, or he wouldn't have gotten suspicious. It easily tends to happen in live classes with kids, where some cannot resist to shine by turning on the engine. And if you see this but are not sure, there you can throw in one of the "test" positions to be sure, and then take it from there.
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> In the academy I use, homework is purely optional. You can decide each week for yourself. You don't have to submit. My guess is that it's mostly young players who are under surveillance by their sponsors and are expected by them to participate to take the easy route. I mean who hasn't copied some school homework before the lessons? I know I did, and others copied mine in other areas. We surely didn't feel bad about it back then.

Oh of course, that would be inside the lesson but not obvious. It wouldn't be the focus until the student was already conditioned to enjoy calculation, which would only be the case if they actually enjoyed it.

Think about it like a movie, the student has to see what they want to see; otherwise they will lose interest. (You still have to be honest though, otherwise they will gain vengeance or distain in some cases.)

Test positions in the confines of Chess are an interesting concept, this SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.

Personally I have never copied actually, but I understood SOME of the students who did. It is a benefit of society in SOME situations, in my opinion what is IMPORTANT is that the student is ACTUALLY LEARNING. This is a GREY AREA really, could TAKE SOME TIME TO REALLY FIGURE THIS PROBLEM OUT without suggestions.

I understand your concerns.

Hmm.. I think you can make them have their room or wherever they are sitting and playing get a check by you. if you see anything suspicious, ask them what it is and to show it. Keeping their video on and their screen shared may do the trick as well.