@Artem-Kozirev said in #20:
> I fully agree with you @ilidiomartins2 The problem here is that cheating is uncontrollable by the site (not enough and correct resources, reporting is only a small fraction of the games they would double check ) and they cannot admit it so anything going in this direction will be supressed, stopped from going public and making a big wave or attacked inmediately to keep it under the carpet because it reveals that the system with its weakness allows cheating rather than disallows and instead of taking the right steps to correct this imbalance they do the easy thing, they send their own trolls to "shutdown" the carrier of the bad news. This procedure by lichess is not new, everytime you report what they are doing wrong and this is one of many examples they send their hordes of obsequents that applaud lichess' mistakes until their hand bleed to show "loyalty", that is their understanding of loyalty instead of solving the problems correctly. It is pure endogamy within the organization, they like it like that when it is against all recommendations of an administration. I stopped playing blitz due to cheaters and went to bullet where they were supposed not to have enough time to cheat but lichess' algorithm for lag compensation from the bullet is so bad that lichess becomes the number one who breaks their own fair play rules, instead of admitting it they permanently deny without any valid argument and they systematically refuse any kind of legitimate audit to the system, the fact lichess is open source does not rule out an audit and certification of their operations at all, one thing is the code which is published, something else is the code running in real time and the ultimate black box of the system is the data, in other words even when you are open source you can still be quite a black box, an audit and certifications would exempt them of risponsability and since they refuse to go in this direction they are absolutely liable and my words take the dimension of truth. There is simply no fair play by lichess and with their wrong doing they guarantee cheating WILL happen.
All systems operate under a pre-defined set of parameters, fluxes in and out, and machinations within the model.
Chess is no different.
Players login, create or join games, and are awarded or detrimented for their respective performances during play.
If a player rated highly beats a lower rated opponent, they will stand to gain less than if the result were opposite.
What may be more difficult to implement is a factoring-in of the "style" or manner in which the contest occurred.
In an ideal world, all players would be sealed in atmospherically isolated pods fed only by saline drip and separate from the world around them.
This is not feasible.
Chess, like any pursuit, is a human endeavour.
As such, it has the same fallibility that any activity has (including my ability to spell!)
When you login to Lichess, you accept a certain degree of compromise.
This is a free, globally accessible and, to all intents and purposes, charitable operation.
There are no profits.
There are no share holders.
We, the players, are the sole stakeholders in our investment of time and resources into this site.
As such, it is everyone of our responsibilities to ensure fair play, even handedness, and above all ... fun (dare I say it).
So, if you wish to make a complaint about these very principles, there is not much I can say.
But, if you are willing to take these points on trust, and play the game, I'm sure the internet will be a much happier and safer place for us all.
Peace be with you.
> I fully agree with you @ilidiomartins2 The problem here is that cheating is uncontrollable by the site (not enough and correct resources, reporting is only a small fraction of the games they would double check ) and they cannot admit it so anything going in this direction will be supressed, stopped from going public and making a big wave or attacked inmediately to keep it under the carpet because it reveals that the system with its weakness allows cheating rather than disallows and instead of taking the right steps to correct this imbalance they do the easy thing, they send their own trolls to "shutdown" the carrier of the bad news. This procedure by lichess is not new, everytime you report what they are doing wrong and this is one of many examples they send their hordes of obsequents that applaud lichess' mistakes until their hand bleed to show "loyalty", that is their understanding of loyalty instead of solving the problems correctly. It is pure endogamy within the organization, they like it like that when it is against all recommendations of an administration. I stopped playing blitz due to cheaters and went to bullet where they were supposed not to have enough time to cheat but lichess' algorithm for lag compensation from the bullet is so bad that lichess becomes the number one who breaks their own fair play rules, instead of admitting it they permanently deny without any valid argument and they systematically refuse any kind of legitimate audit to the system, the fact lichess is open source does not rule out an audit and certification of their operations at all, one thing is the code which is published, something else is the code running in real time and the ultimate black box of the system is the data, in other words even when you are open source you can still be quite a black box, an audit and certifications would exempt them of risponsability and since they refuse to go in this direction they are absolutely liable and my words take the dimension of truth. There is simply no fair play by lichess and with their wrong doing they guarantee cheating WILL happen.
All systems operate under a pre-defined set of parameters, fluxes in and out, and machinations within the model.
Chess is no different.
Players login, create or join games, and are awarded or detrimented for their respective performances during play.
If a player rated highly beats a lower rated opponent, they will stand to gain less than if the result were opposite.
What may be more difficult to implement is a factoring-in of the "style" or manner in which the contest occurred.
In an ideal world, all players would be sealed in atmospherically isolated pods fed only by saline drip and separate from the world around them.
This is not feasible.
Chess, like any pursuit, is a human endeavour.
As such, it has the same fallibility that any activity has (including my ability to spell!)
When you login to Lichess, you accept a certain degree of compromise.
This is a free, globally accessible and, to all intents and purposes, charitable operation.
There are no profits.
There are no share holders.
We, the players, are the sole stakeholders in our investment of time and resources into this site.
As such, it is everyone of our responsibilities to ensure fair play, even handedness, and above all ... fun (dare I say it).
So, if you wish to make a complaint about these very principles, there is not much I can say.
But, if you are willing to take these points on trust, and play the game, I'm sure the internet will be a much happier and safer place for us all.
Peace be with you.
