I would argue IMs have the highest IQ. At least 250.
@Whitedancingrockstar
Your first paragraph is right.
Your second paragraph is wrong. It means that the person saying this either doesn't know enough about IQ measurement or trolls
François VI. Duc de La Rochefoucauld is said to have remarked: Everybody complains about his memory, nobody complains about his reasoning powers. If someone talks about his high IQ you should remember this.
Your first paragraph is right.
Your second paragraph is wrong. It means that the person saying this either doesn't know enough about IQ measurement or trolls
François VI. Duc de La Rochefoucauld is said to have remarked: Everybody complains about his memory, nobody complains about his reasoning powers. If someone talks about his high IQ you should remember this.
Lastly is a High I.Q kid likely to want to play chess Yes. Are the parents likely to provide a chess club, lessons and encouragement if they can afford it YES! Is that child likely to become a master and possibly a GM verse other kids of lesser I.Q Yes!
Also is it highly unlikely a child with normal I.Q will stand out in chess or want to play the game or get lessons etc.. Is it
fair to say it would be 1 out of 10,000 that are rare players that bring some unknown god something to game sure.
My point is if your making a blanket statement are chess players overall smarter you must rephrase the question and
provide more detail. Overall No <---- Now if you say are Chess masters and GM's smarter than the average person a
strong Yes is 100% correct.
I'm not super smart but my mind never stops. I've had to earn ability to play chess cause I don't have the GENIUS gene or
whatever it is. I played a kid from my local chess club that was 11 who was a Strong master and had only been playing 3
years. His parents from INDIA immediately saw his talent at a young age and got strong coaching $100 an hour from the
best money could provide and the child took off into a strong master. My point is I've put in ` 6 years of playing, time,
learning and this child in 1000 days bumps into being a strong master. Something I may never achieve in my lifetime because I may not have the god gene that has I.Q and pattern recognition.
Also is it highly unlikely a child with normal I.Q will stand out in chess or want to play the game or get lessons etc.. Is it
fair to say it would be 1 out of 10,000 that are rare players that bring some unknown god something to game sure.
My point is if your making a blanket statement are chess players overall smarter you must rephrase the question and
provide more detail. Overall No <---- Now if you say are Chess masters and GM's smarter than the average person a
strong Yes is 100% correct.
I'm not super smart but my mind never stops. I've had to earn ability to play chess cause I don't have the GENIUS gene or
whatever it is. I played a kid from my local chess club that was 11 who was a Strong master and had only been playing 3
years. His parents from INDIA immediately saw his talent at a young age and got strong coaching $100 an hour from the
best money could provide and the child took off into a strong master. My point is I've put in ` 6 years of playing, time,
learning and this child in 1000 days bumps into being a strong master. Something I may never achieve in my lifetime because I may not have the god gene that has I.Q and pattern recognition.
Ok, let's do the math. There are 3808 IMs in the world according to the FIDE online database (ratings.fide.com/advaction.phtml?idcode=&name=&title=m&other_title=&country=%25&sex=&srating=0&erating=3000&birthday=&radio=name&line=asc). We know that lovlas has an IQ of 952000.
952000/3808 = 250.
The math speaks for itself.
952000/3808 = 250.
The math speaks for itself.
I had a chess-buddy in MENSA.
He concluded that strong chess is not part-in-parcel with high IQ.
He would jokingly use his chess score as an argumentum ad authoritatum on all things intellectual.
He concluded that strong chess is not part-in-parcel with high IQ.
He would jokingly use his chess score as an argumentum ad authoritatum on all things intellectual.
@lovlas resident cosmic brain
I have an IQ of 128 and I'm a noob at this game. :/
Intelligence is obviously associated with a certain degree of success at chess. However, that doesn't mean one entails the other or that IQ performance correlates with chess performance. If it did, Kasparov would have an IQ of 190 given his ELO, but his IQ is known to be about 135. Carlsen recently said "I consider myself decently intelligent, not by any means a genius". So not all of the best chess players have supergenius IQs like Bobby Fischer (who had a confirmed 180-187 IQ at age 15), nor have they all been as "quirky" as Fischer. It's entirely possible that certain forms of autism might offset some of the negatives associated with high IQ, replacing the distractability of genius with some degree of 'focused obsession'.
People with a high IQ are famous for having poor discipline and work ethic - presumably because they are distracted by other types of information and stimuli. Hence, there may be a point of diminishing return when it comes to high IQ and chess development as chess requires so much discipline and practice.
A recent study on the relationship between cognitve abilities and chess concluded that intelligence is more of a factor for younger players and lower rated players but that other factors become more significant as one improves.
[www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160913124722.htm
The relationship between cognitive ability and chess skill: A comprehensive meta-analysis. Intelligence, 2016; DOI: 10.1016/j.intell.2016.08.002]
Of course, we won't ever know for sure as long as people keep correlating ELO with IQ because it probably discourages top players from taking an IQ test as it would likely tarnish their supergenius mystique.
People with a high IQ are famous for having poor discipline and work ethic - presumably because they are distracted by other types of information and stimuli. Hence, there may be a point of diminishing return when it comes to high IQ and chess development as chess requires so much discipline and practice.
A recent study on the relationship between cognitve abilities and chess concluded that intelligence is more of a factor for younger players and lower rated players but that other factors become more significant as one improves.
[www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160913124722.htm
The relationship between cognitive ability and chess skill: A comprehensive meta-analysis. Intelligence, 2016; DOI: 10.1016/j.intell.2016.08.002]
Of course, we won't ever know for sure as long as people keep correlating ELO with IQ because it probably discourages top players from taking an IQ test as it would likely tarnish their supergenius mystique.
What is the purpose of asking this on a chess forum guys? The only thing i can say for sure is that chess players have an above average ego, so if you just want to see guys circlejerking just go to your favourite adult site.
That being said, if you refer to IQ, chess does not increase the IQ of a person, aside from maybe helping a child develop his brain early in life. However chess is perhaps more attractive as a hobby to people who are more intelligent, just as boxing would be more fun for people who are good at it.
@sfumatosauce "Of course, we won't ever know for sure as long as people keep correlating ELO with IQ because it probably discourages top players from taking an IQ test as it would likely tarnish their supergenius mystique."
Yes top players who are grown up and mostly millionaires are surely petty enough to act like that.
That being said, if you refer to IQ, chess does not increase the IQ of a person, aside from maybe helping a child develop his brain early in life. However chess is perhaps more attractive as a hobby to people who are more intelligent, just as boxing would be more fun for people who are good at it.
@sfumatosauce "Of course, we won't ever know for sure as long as people keep correlating ELO with IQ because it probably discourages top players from taking an IQ test as it would likely tarnish their supergenius mystique."
Yes top players who are grown up and mostly millionaires are surely petty enough to act like that.
My friend with an IQ of 952000 says that there isn't a correlation.
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