Claim:
I cannot consistently beat level 1 stockfish. Sometimes it feeds material and on rare occasions you get a quick mate. But most of the times I will have to step on eggshells to avoid an imminent defeat for 60+ moves, most players I face aren't even this solid. This is on playing without a time restraint, on my favorite time control, 3 min +0 I can seldom beat the PC at all.
Experience:
To my limited knowledge of chess I know that I blundered the rook to his bishop and I never really got my king to a safe position due to early pawn movement.
My latest try game:
https://lichess.org/Nh8dSKVN/white#0
Question:
Is the inconsistent difficulty of Stockfish an intentional decision or a side-effect of their algorithm?
Last thoughts:
I feel like the current Stockfish level 1 is far to inconsistent for me to reach my goal which is to spend a low, fixed amount of time thinking of each move. Since the computer sometimes makes godlike moves in seconds which in turn requires my ripost to be of great effort I find myself spending between seconds to MINUTES to survive this level 1 computer.
Claim:
I cannot consistently beat level 1 stockfish. Sometimes it feeds material and on rare occasions you get a quick mate. But most of the times I will have to step on eggshells to avoid an imminent defeat for 60+ moves, most players I face aren't even this solid. This is on playing without a time restraint, on my favorite time control, 3 min +0 I can seldom beat the PC at all.
Experience:
To my limited knowledge of chess I know that I blundered the rook to his bishop and I never really got my king to a safe position due to early pawn movement.
My latest try game:
https://lichess.org/Nh8dSKVN/white#0
Question:
Is the inconsistent difficulty of Stockfish an intentional decision or a side-effect of their algorithm?
Last thoughts:
I feel like the current Stockfish level 1 is far to inconsistent for me to reach my goal which is to spend a low, fixed amount of time thinking of each move. Since the computer sometimes makes godlike moves in seconds which in turn requires my ripost to be of great effort I find myself spending between seconds to MINUTES to survive this level 1 computer.
Just play against humans. Problem solved.
But yes I think there is an inconsistency indeed.
So don't worry about not beating the computer consistently...
I don't know why it is that way, but I can imagine it isn't easy to create a weak engine out of a strong one.
Just play against humans. Problem solved.
But yes I think there is an inconsistency indeed.
So don't worry about not beating the computer consistently...
I don't know why it is that way, but I can imagine it isn't easy to create a weak engine out of a strong one.
A quick mate by playing stupidly aggressive:
https://lichess.org/J4PveDeC/white
A quick mate by playing stupidly aggressive:
https://lichess.org/J4PveDeC/white
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#schachschachschach
The problem is that I know too little to fight players and it's upsetting to be subjected to engine users. It's such a clear distinction whenever someone thinks and sometimes blunders compared to pure robots playing. So I've reasoned I might as well play the PC to avoid that aggravation altogether.
#schachschachschach
The problem is that I know too little to fight players and it's upsetting to be subjected to engine users. It's such a clear distinction whenever someone thinks and sometimes blunders compared to pure robots playing. So I've reasoned I might as well play the PC to avoid that aggravation altogether.
#Allonautilus
Well I enjoy bullet chess the most but it's not really a good starting point so 3m +0 feels like it should be enough and I do enjoy them thoroughly.
#Allonautilus
Well I enjoy bullet chess the most but it's not really a good starting point so 3m +0 feels like it should be enough and I do enjoy them thoroughly.
@ChuckAl I can teach you if you want :)
IMO playing with engines will never be as much fun. I tried it against LeelaChess and Stockfish 10 and I just lost no matter what I did. You can only learn if you play against someone who makes (not obvious) mistakes and you find out how to use it to your advantage.
When you play against Stockfish 1 it's like playing 10 moves very concentrated, then the computer sacrifices a piece without any reason. Then you play 10 moves again without knowing why the computer does so as he doesn't have ONE plan like a human being, then he sacrifices a piece again. You won't learn this way.
I also agree with what @Allonautilus said.
@ChuckAl I can teach you if you want :)
IMO playing with engines will never be as much fun. I tried it against LeelaChess and Stockfish 10 and I just lost no matter what I did. You can only learn if you play against someone who makes (not obvious) mistakes and you find out how to use it to your advantage.
When you play against Stockfish 1 it's like playing 10 moves very concentrated, then the computer sacrifices a piece without any reason. Then you play 10 moves again without knowing why the computer does so as he doesn't have ONE plan like a human being, then he sacrifices a piece again. You won't learn this way.
I also agree with what @Allonautilus said.
#schachschachschach
Hey, that's very kind of you to reach out but I'm an old stubborn self-learner. I'll add you neverthelss in case that I find the time :)
#schachschachschach
Hey, that's very kind of you to reach out but I'm an old stubborn self-learner. I'll add you neverthelss in case that I find the time :)
You can learn from anyone and anything you play as long as you are thinking about the
best moves for both sides always and trying to come up with plans for both sides. Generally
it's easier to learn if you spend a few hours per game and really try to clearly calculate out
what's going to happen. If your opponent plays a move you didn't expect during the game,
after the game you should spend more time analyzing if that was a good move and why it was good, then you can boost your understanding instead of just playing a lot of bullet games that won't change your overall skill very much.
Also don't rely on the engine to analyze your games, only use them to look if you made
any blunders you couldn't find when you spent time analyzing your game first.
An example of playing for both sides is...in OTB I had an opponent that would walk over to
my side of the board and look at the game from my perspective often haha
he's only 10 years old but over 2000 elo and will probably be master strength in a few years, he has really good habits for studying chess.
You can learn from anyone and anything you play as long as you are thinking about the
best moves for both sides always and trying to come up with plans for both sides. Generally
it's easier to learn if you spend a few hours per game and really try to clearly calculate out
what's going to happen. If your opponent plays a move you didn't expect during the game,
after the game you should spend more time analyzing if that was a good move and why it was good, then you can boost your understanding instead of just playing a lot of bullet games that won't change your overall skill very much.
Also don't rely on the engine to analyze your games, only use them to look if you made
any blunders you couldn't find when you spent time analyzing your game first.
An example of playing for both sides is...in OTB I had an opponent that would walk over to
my side of the board and look at the game from my perspective often haha
he's only 10 years old but over 2000 elo and will probably be master strength in a few years, he has really good habits for studying chess.
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It all depends on your time and effort/determination but not all your time on chess.
In order to get good or decent, you can spend some time on bots, but not all your time on bots when you play, different players do different things which you can learn from.
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Inconsistencies are perfectly normal.
This will determine your style of play and will ultimately decide your role as an aggressive, passive, or sacrificial player. ( maybe you can use all 3 )
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Simple tactics and blunders
Studying these things is not enough, create puzzles for yourself ( which sounds mental but trust me it isn't ) to challenge your mind, which will help in later games or in life in general.
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Use EVERY SINGLE RESOURCE to your advantage.
If it's the puzzle section/training section of lichess will help you get better then focus on that, as well as openings which will decide how you like to play the beginning. Even chess.com provides a thing called, "puzzle rush" which is fun and gives a time limit.
I hope this was helpful advice @ChuckAl and good luck with getting better :)
1. It all depends on your time and effort/determination but not all your time on chess.
In order to get good or decent, you can spend some time on bots, but not all your time on bots when you play, different players do different things which you can learn from.
2. Inconsistencies are perfectly normal.
This will determine your style of play and will ultimately decide your role as an aggressive, passive, or sacrificial player. ( maybe you can use all 3 )
3. Simple tactics and blunders
Studying these things is not enough, create puzzles for yourself ( which sounds mental but trust me it isn't ) to challenge your mind, which will help in later games or in life in general.
4. Use EVERY SINGLE RESOURCE to your advantage.
If it's the puzzle section/training section of lichess will help you get better then focus on that, as well as openings which will decide how you like to play the beginning. Even chess.com provides a thing called, "puzzle rush" which is fun and gives a time limit.
I hope this was helpful advice @ChuckAl and good luck with getting better :)