Am I missing something or are there just many lines that are still much better for White if they not just take everything like Paul Morphy's opponents did plenty years ago?!
These gambit ideas are interesting, but "defeating the vienna with no effort whatsoever" is definitely wrong. Also, the advantage is not gone with 2 moves by black.
@CkickyCheck said in #16:
> > As a ~2400 bullet player, recently I played a lot of 1...Nc6.
>
> What's your answer to 2.Nf3? I've been playing around with f5, but that wouldn't work in classical more than once...
I said I play 2...e5 and enter the main lines. I would play that especially in longer time controls
2...f5 is interesting indeed, I simply forgot about it... Good for blitz&bullet
I premove 2...d5 but I don't really like the positions after 2.Nf3 d5. White gets a good position with simple natural moves
2...d6 is tryable
My takeaway from all of this is that if the title annoys enough people, they start engaging with each other and share lines and have fun. Going to do it again >:-D
There's a typo in the first paragraph under Blunting the Vienna - it says Black instead of White
Well, but the problem is any normal person will play d4 after Nc6. It is not called the Vienna if Black does not play e5; it is just you making up your own opening
@Alan_Zh , for me "Vienna" is e4, Nc3, maybe f4 after. At my level people learn these moves and try to apply them to anything, including the Nimzowitsch. Also, Lichess has a maximum title length so I couldn't have put all the names of the variations that start with e4 Nc3.