@CkickyCheck I still don't see any real issues in black's position. The study you linked suggests Nxd5?! Bd4! Nxc5? (Bxc5!? is interesting, although after analyzing it, it comes off as somewhat dubious) (Nf6!, intending Bxc5 looks a little odd, but seems okay for black) e3, and I agree that in this particular position, I would start to sweat as black. Instead of Nxd5?!, exd5 (stockfish suggests that Qxd5! is even stronger), Bd4, Bxc5, e3, 0-0, Be2, Bxd4, Nxd4, Ne4, 0-0, Nc5, black should be quite happy. In general it seems like black's problems ease significantly if he can force the exchange of white's powerful dark squared bishop, which again, seems to always be possible (at least in the variations I've analyzed) with accurate play.
> Instead of Nxd5?!, exd5, Bd4, Bxc5, e3, 0-0, Be2, Bxd4, Nxd4, Ne4, 0-0, Nc5, black should be quite happy.
idk how happy would I be in a worse IQP position.
Also keep in mind, that I suck strategically, I'm looking for positions with set pawn structure, and with that, clear plans, where focus shifts from choosing to executing the plans (aka tactics). c5 doesn'tt accomplish that, as White can for example take, and go for g3 lated down the line
While equal from engine's point of view, I'm far from an engine, and frankly, I find these positions boring.
With enough prep any move is playable, the question is if that move suits you, yuor openings needs likely differ from mine, so while you don't see issues with c5, I do.
Well 3.c3 is a serious line in my opinion, but putting the knight on c6 seems like a bit of an overreaction to such a harmless move, I also like playing c5 setups against the main London, and against c3 I think that by far the easiest is just to play c5 and go for reversed Slav, the only problem with it would be 4.dc5 but after 4..e6 you just follow the main principles of playing those positions and your position is atleast equal, if you look at master games black score is pretty good, and if he defense it with Be3 you also get a pretty good imbanced position where he also needs to be careful and you certainly have enough compensation for the pawn since you have a better center, and white has some trouble developing..
you must be a devoted london hater :)
@Iplaygambits12 said in #14:
> you must be a devoted london hater :)
haha I used to be. Now I'm excited to play against it. Like against every d4 sideline. Solid nature of these openings let's me be more creative with my responses
@TomCro93 said in #13:
> Well 3.c3 is a serious line in my opinion, but putting the knight on c6 seems like a bit of an overreaction to such a harmless move.
Overraction is a harsh word no? Nc6 is an idea for example in Queen's Gambit Declined. It's very off-beat, so even though not blessed by the engine, it can catch opponents off guard.
And solid nature of d4 with a slow move c3 let's me be creative with my response. And if I could chose betwen playing against the London System (3. Bf4 c5), or this, I'd chose this, I find this line more exciting.
> I think that by far the easiest is just to play c5, the only problem with it would be 4.dc5 but after 4..e6 you just follow the main principles of playing those positions and your position is atleast equal, if you look at master games black score is pretty good
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c3 c5 4. dxc5 e6 5. Be3
With White Masters score 40-17%, lichess players 2200+ rapid or sloer score 51-40%
These are horrible numbers for a 0.0 position
btw after 5... a5 6. c4 they get even worse
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I think calling Nc6 an overreaction is like calling the Scandi an overreaction, it's simply my opening choice. I did analyse c5 firstly for quite some time, but I didn't like the lines there, so I started looking for something else. It's definitely not the easiest to play.
Bf5 might be easiest. Or Qd6->Qb6.
And again, if you feel like c5 suits you best, nothing wrong with it, just requires some work to play it. Personally I find Nc6 to give much better winning chances.
The only 2 problems I found with this setup are the c4 break (4. c4 or 4. e3 -> 5. c4) or fast Nh4. However the latter still offers some tricks, for example
5. e3 e6 6. Nh4?! Bxb1 7. Rxb1 Ne4 8. Nf3 g5 9. Bg3 h5
5. Nbd2 e6 6. Nh4 Bd6 7. Bxd6 Qxd6 8. Nxf5 exf5