I am just saying that we are discussing the blog about using SF to find traps, but we got into trap value calculated based on Lichess db items and positional principles analysis (like K-MAPS). It's all nice and good, but barely related to the blog post.
@TotalNoob69 said in #21:
> I am just saying that we are discussing the blog about using SF to find traps, but we got into trap value calculated based on Lichess db items and positional principles analysis (like K-MAPS)
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There are knowledge based traps from trap "repertoires" right and the problem that this repo might be about is ranking them or clustering them? I don't have a narrow view of threads when we are in open question territory, that everyone think they know what a trap is does not make this a well defined concept to me. My current understanding is that it is still example based. So I find this blog to be one point of view on this open question of making an autonomous (or trying) definition for all of us (as long as the premise dependent variable information is explicit as part of the definiton, and we don't assume too soon that there we go that is the aboslut final definition, because look "it is all computer".
I find that blog have taken forum spirit juice away from us, and that they should serve as discussion starters. Sorry, I err in breadth. Thanks for claryfying the difference (if my guesses confirmed).
I recall something too, from a discussion I had with jomega. I will try to make sure those are the same.
> It's all nice and good, but barely related to the blog post.
I find that Toadofsky link sharing was appropriate here. Gliding over tonality of the post and your response as well. I am looking for information. And we are all fallible, chess perfection aesthetics might make us a bit too focussed and not generous with each other. I find ceiling mentality to be counter productive when not restricted to it jurisdiction, which is not here. in my worldview of chess.
For example, or being mere mortal:
I am not a perfect reading machine, and I prefer discussions. forums were great.. but they might have lacked the background work in their opening salvos, that the blog might allow more. Although I would not mind open questions in minimal blogs.
sorry. moody writing seems contagious.. if not mistaken.
First non-patron to reply to this topic
There is no question mark icon....
Is a poisoned pawn (I act like I know what that means over all possible chess positions don't I?) a trap?
well not once you know it is poisoned. so what gives?
Is a gambit accepted a trap? not for those who spend a good pie piece of their life in that repertoire... eventually I would bet. but maybe all the lines known to not be winning or drawish would be make that a trap, ....
without specifying both the lure depth and the cutoff depth where it stings (and perhaps the point of no return one as well, which might not immediately statically sting, and then how much does it sting, which might also be about depth of really stinging)..
anything bad can be deemed a trap, in the eyes of the unknowing beholder (unkowning on the side of patzher learners).
So I fing this blog courage at proposing a minimalist existing tool based definition that can be applied outside of knowledge bases a good attempt at making chess theory progress.. I value not the tool but the definition exercise.
I would value a tool I could explore at chess study level with full critical thinking exploration potential.. not in the "it is all computer" limited satisfaction.
And finally ( well in my current foresight which is pretty impulsive I should admit), is a "sacrifice" a trap?
not a trick question. I want to learn. there are so many good discussion questions left floating about chess theory and chess, I find it flabbergastingly mindboggling that there are so few of those not out there, perhaps if there was a visible good faith forum feature not overwhelmed by reputation arguments or audience demanding such (which might be the real problem, no offense to pretty much anyone who might feel offended, that might be a bunch, I am but just a buffoon, license to "err....").
Nice article! How do you control Stockfished depth?
Setting up traps does not have to be tempting. A rabbit snare trap, a hidden trap. Even in chess we can narrow down the legal moves and that too is a trap forcing the opponent to go around the center can be setting a trap too. Trapped with no legal moves left and it's stalemate. Offering a poisoned pawn is a trap. A sacrifice of a piece is not a trap unless it is poisoned. A tactical attraction to capture a piece is a trap.