If an American player said they supported the US decision to bomb Iran, would they be suspended?

@salmon_rushdie said in #60:

Israel is a flawed democracy but remains far ahead of the rest of the ME.
Arabs in Israel have more rights than most arabs outside of israel, especially women.

Jews have to be perfect or they're evil. Everyone else can be much worse with little to no criticism. That's how antisemites operate.

@Prophiscient said in #101:

Jews have to be perfect or they're evil. Everyone else can be much worse with little to no criticism. That's how antisemites operate.

Pretty sure the only anti semitism here is coming from zionists, not all Jews support the genocide or Israel and pretending that they do is literally an antisemitic trope.
Jews are not committing the genocide, it's Israel, you can try to make all Jews stand in for the genocidal mania of Israelis but they don't. And it's dangerous and wrong to conflate the two.

This is not about "Jews have to be perfect or they're evil" this is about Israeli soliders killing innocent civilians, maybe read this in the liberal Israeli news paper Haaretz:

'It's a Killing Field': IDF Soldiers Ordered to Shoot Deliberately at Unarmed Gazans Waiting for Humanitarian Aid

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

"Our best hope against antisemitism is to defeat Israel’s dual campaign to raze Gaza and bind our fate as Jews to that insidious project."

Dave Zirin, The Nation, December 5, 2023.

@lonelypeanut said in #102:

This is not about "Jews have to be perfect or they're evil" this is about Israeli soldiers killing innocent civilians

Yes, this is exactly right. The thing we have to realise about Zionists like Prophiscient is that they are the real anti-semites, the real racists in this dreadful tragedy that is continuing in Gaza. Not only do they conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism as you have said, but they have complete disregard for the Palestinian people, whether they are in Gaza or the West Bank. He/she posted a while back that "there is no evidence of genocide in Gaza" when the place is completely destroyed and we have seen the videos of bereaved Palestinian families mourning with their dead. Now they are being starved to death and murdered while they wait for food. Zionism is clearly the new Nazism in the way it is treating the Palestinian people.

Israel has become a pariah state in large parts of the world now, particularly in the Global South. There is no recovering from this. No cleansing of its reputation. Billions of people have seen the shocking pictures of dismembered children, many of whom were not even alive when Hamas broke out of the Gaza ghetto on October 7th, 2022.

Part of the reason for the massacres and ethnic cleansing we are witnessing is because the Israeli elite know the long-term viability of their state is in question. There is what is often referred to as the "demographic time-bomb" because the Palestinian population is growing faster than the Israeli population. And now many Israelis, particularly those with dual nationality, are wanting to leave. The Israeli government is doing everything in its power to stop them. Israel is not a safe haven for Jews now and it never will be. Eventually it will fall.

@V1g1yy said in #40:

My point was there's just no connection between the chess players and the government officials, almost regardless of who it is. In the US, Bobby Fischer was invited to the White House, though I don't think he ever went. Later the US government threatened him to the point he left the country. He lived out his life until death in Iceland I believe, where I think he's buried. This was over him wanting to play chess in countries regardless of whether there was cold war friction or not. He viewed chess completely separate from politics and so do i.

It is that same level of absurdity that's being applied to players today.

I mean seriously, can somebody tell me what benefit there has been to the war situation worldwide, by taking away the flags of Nepo and Daniil Dubov on the fide site, here and chestcom? Does one of them drive a tank or fly a bomber on the days they're not playing chess? I seriously doubt it, eh?
HAHA lol exactly!!! well said!!!

@lonelypeanut said in #102:

Pretty sure the only anti semitism here is coming from zionists,

Lmao, sure. The only antisemitism that exists comes from Jews, not the people constantly demonizing Jews, blaming Jews for everything, and wanting the Jews' country to not exist. Gimme a break lol

not all Jews support the genocide or Israel and pretending that they do is literally an antisemitic trope.

Israel isn't committing a genocide. And no one said all Jews support Israel or everything Israel does. That's just a strawman antisemites use on Jews. But MOST Jews support Israel. An overwhelming majority of Jews are Zionists. The same way not all black people support Civil Right buts MOST do.

Jews are not committing the genocide, it's Israel,

What group lives in Israel? Seems like a lot of antisemites have difficulty accepting that Israel is occupied by Jews and that the overwhelming majority of Jews are Zionists.

you can try to make all Jews stand in for the genocidal mania of Israelis but they don't. And it's dangerous and wrong to conflate the two.

Find me the comment where I said, "All Jews [X]". Or is this just a strawman?

This is not about "Jews have to be perfect or they're evil" this is about Israeli soliders killing innocent civilians, maybe read this in the liberal Israeli news paper Haaretz:

'It's a Killing Field': IDF Soldiers Ordered to Shoot Deliberately at Unarmed Gazans Waiting for Humanitarian Aid

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

If that report is true, then I definitely don't support that action. However, to my knowledge, that report has not been verified.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/28/nx-s1-5449587/israel-gaza-haaretz-report

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/28/nx-s1-5448875/netanyahu-slams-israeli-media-report-that-idf-soldiers-were-ordered-to-shoot-at-aid-sites

@stockwellpete said in #104:

Yes, this is exactly right. The thing we have to realise about Zionists like Prophiscient is that they are the real anti-semites, the real racists in this dreadful tragedy that is continuing in Gaza. Not only do they conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism as you have said, but they have complete disregard for the Palestinian people, whether they are in Gaza or the West Bank.

Lol yes, the real antisemites are the Jews, and the people who hate Jews and the Jewish State aren't the antisemites. Lol okay

He/she posted a while back that "there is no evidence of genocide in Gaza" when the place is completely destroyed and we have seen the videos of bereaved Palestinian families mourning with their dead.

What do you think happens in war. War is tragic. That doesn't make Jews Nazis or demons and it doesn't make it genocide.

Now they are being starved to death and murdered while they wait for food.

Can you tell me how many Gazans have starved to death since Oct 7? Please provide a credible source. People have been claiming famine for the past few years without the numbers to back it up.

Zionism is clearly the new Nazism in the way it is treating the Palestinian people.

Lol Jewish rights is the new Nazism according to antisemites. Was Hitler a Jewish advocate, too?

Israel has become a pariah state in large parts of the world now, particularly in the Global South. There is no recovering from this. No cleansing of its reputation. Billions of people have seen the shocking pictures of dismembered children, many of whom were not even alive when Hamas broke out of the Gaza ghetto on October 7th, 2022.

Israel was already hated long before this due to antisemitism. Do you think Jew hating/antisemitism is recent or that you're special for being an antisemite? People like you aren't new. Your justifications aren't new. Antisemitism is the oldest bigotry in the world. You're not fooling any of us by saying, "Zionists," instead.

Part of the reason for the massacres and ethnic cleansing we are witnessing is because the Israeli elite know the long-term viability of their state is in question. There is what is often referred to as the "demographic time-bomb" because the Palestinian population is growing faster than the Israeli population. And now many Israelis, particularly those with dual nationality, are wanting to leave. The Israeli government is doing everything in its power to stop them. Israel is not a safe haven for Jews now and it never will be. Eventually it will fall.

Lol Israel is nowhere close to falling. This is just more antisemitic delusion.

@Prophiscient said in #106:

Lmao, sure. The only antisemitism that exists comes from Jews,

You pretend that Zionist means Jew that again is just nonsense. The biggest zionst organization is cufi, which as you probably know stands for Christians united for Israel.

Stop lying about Zionism it's an ideology and a bad one at that, not all Jews are zionists by a long shot and not all zionists are Jews by LOT. The vast majority aren't in fact.

Stop lying.

@lonelypeanut said in #108:

Stop lying about Zionism it's an ideology and a bad one at that, not all Jews are zionists by a long shot and not all zionists are Jews by LOT. The vast majority aren't in fact.

Stop lying.

I see that he/she gives their nationality as USA and Israel. So presumably they have dual nationality? In which case they may have participated at some point in this genocide. For this reason I am no longer prepared to debate with him/her on here. My general rule is not to debate with any sort of racist or fascist - and clearly Zionism is a racist ideology at its core in that it seeks to privilege Jews over everybody else in the region.

I was listening to Ilan Pappe recently talking about his upbringing in Israel and he said the brainwashing is very intense from a very young age. He was a Zionist in his youth and served in the Israeli army on the Golan Heights in 1973. He broke from Zionism as he pursued an academic career. I think Prophiscient is very likely a product of this racist brainwashing.

@stockwellpete said in #109:

I see that he/she gives their nationality as USA and Israel. So presumably they have dual nationality? In which case they may have participated at some point in this genocide. For this reason I am no longer prepared to debate with him/her on here. My general rule is not to debate with any sort of racist or fascist - and clearly Zionism is a racist ideology at its core in that it seeks to privilege Jews over everybody else in the region.

I was listening to Ilan Pappe recently talking about his upbringing in Israel and he said the brainwashing is very intense from a very young age. He was a Zionist in his youth and served in the Israeli army on the Golan Heights in 1973. He broke from Zionism as he pursued an academic career. I think Prophiscient is very likely a product of this racist brainwashing.

Yeah that's why I don't get too invested in these discussion. I just pepper in a counter from time to time so others like you or people who don't post at all see that these opinions are not unopposed ;)