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I've encountered many people over my chess games including some that in my view violate the Terms of Service Fair Play and Community Guidelines rule "5. Harassing conduct or offensive language.", all of which I've reported whenever I am the impression that they break good conduct.

I've been expecting that some or most on my list of blocked users (https://lichess.org/rel/blocks) have been punished e.g. given either a warning or even labelled with "This account violated the Lichess Terms of Service".
However, it seems that not a single person on that list has been punished for their bad conduct.

Naturally, the question follows if bad behavior/conduct does get punished at all by lichess moderators if these instances are reported?
My current impression is that reporting does not bear any fruit which might cause others to behave in the same way, because consequences dont follow their actions.

I have a list of ingame chats, but the most prominent examples are those of people that exhibit aggressive behavior during the game in the form of taunting after making blunders: "ez" "hahahah"

Or could I be wrong and this behavior is totally fine? Then maybe I can use this type of behavior to anger my opponents, too, to get some extra advantage!

Any opinions?

I've encountered many people over my chess games including some that in my view violate the Terms of Service Fair Play and Community Guidelines rule "5. Harassing conduct or offensive language.", all of which I've reported whenever I am the impression that they break good conduct. I've been expecting that some or most on my list of blocked users (https://lichess.org/rel/blocks) have been punished e.g. given either a warning or even labelled with "This account violated the Lichess Terms of Service". However, it seems that not a single person on that list has been punished for their bad conduct. Naturally, the question follows if bad behavior/conduct does get punished at all by lichess moderators if these instances are reported? My current impression is that reporting does not bear any fruit which might cause others to behave in the same way, because consequences dont follow their actions. I have a list of ingame chats, but the most prominent examples are those of people that exhibit aggressive behavior during the game in the form of taunting after making blunders: "ez" "hahahah" Or could I be wrong and this behavior is totally fine? Then maybe I can use this type of behavior to anger my opponents, too, to get some extra advantage! Any opinions?

jomega edited

#2

You don't know if there was punishment or not per your report. Even if the account gets marked as violated the TOS, that may be because of some other behavior than your report. And if the account is not so marked, there are punishments that would not be visible to you.

Turn off chat during games and that will solve having to read these taunts.
[Click the green square at the edge of the chat box.]

You don't know if there was punishment or not per *your* report. Even if the account gets marked as violated the TOS, that may be because of some other behavior than your report. And if the account is not so marked, there are punishments that would not be visible to you. Turn off chat during games and that will solve having to read these taunts. [Click the green square at the edge of the chat box.]

nevovo11

#3

people who use "Harassing conduct or offensive language." can get chat banned, meaning that they can still play, their account looks the same but you can't see what they write

userfriendly2

#4

I never realised that taunting in the form of "ez" violated the TOS. Isn't this just thrash talk and very mild thrash talk at that? I consider it part of the blitz/bullet culture especially.

Elnath04

#5

@userfriendly2 said in #4:

I never realised that taunting in the form of "ez" violated the TOS. Isn't this just thrash talk and very mild thrash talk at that? I consider it part of the blitz/bullet culture especially.
+1

Apparently you cannot say anything I mean anything "bad". Banter is officially highly discouraged I feel like. No free speach.

@userfriendly2 said in #4: > I never realised that taunting in the form of "ez" violated the TOS. Isn't this just thrash talk and very mild thrash talk at that? I consider it part of the blitz/bullet culture especially. +1 Apparently you cannot say anything I mean anything "bad". Banter is officially highly discouraged I feel like. No free speach.

Cedur216

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#6

As others said, chatbans aren't visible. Sometimes there's indirect evidence: Profile description is lost as well, and they might keep making posts that can't be seen. Being an ass in chats and losing communication rights doesn't lead to the account being marked for "violating the terms of service".

The formulation of the mark used to be more descriptive in the past ("this player uses chess computer assistance", "this player manipulates their rating number") but Lichess changed this for reasons of discretion

As others said, chatbans aren't visible. Sometimes there's indirect evidence: Profile description is lost as well, and they might keep making posts that can't be seen. Being an ass in chats and losing communication rights doesn't lead to the account being marked for "violating the terms of service". The formulation of the mark used to be more descriptive in the past ("this player uses chess computer assistance", "this player manipulates their rating number") but Lichess changed this for reasons of discretion

Toadofsky

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#7

Although I'm no moderator and have no interest in moderation duty, questions might still be unanswered:

Do players get notified when someone they reported was banned?
Do players get notified when someone they reported was chatbanned?
Should players get notified when someone they reported was chatbanned?

Although I'm no moderator and have no interest in moderation duty, questions might still be unanswered: 1. Do players get notified when someone they reported was banned? 2. Do players get notified when someone they reported was chatbanned? 3. Should players get notified when someone they reported was chatbanned?

All three yes?

@Toadofsky said in #7:

Although I'm no moderator and have no interest in moderation duty, questions might still be unanswered:

Do players get notified when someone they reported was banned?

Do players get notified when someone they reported was chatbanned?

Should players get notified when someone they reported was chatbanned?

I am not a moderator either but I've been on the site long enough to have read the mods answers to similar questions.

There are notifications to you, but they never mention the specific report you made or person it was made against, and those notifications may not say specifically what, if any, action was taken.

As an example, in the Lichess code, in site.xml, there is the string...
<string name="someoneYouReportedWasBanned">Someone you reported was banned</string>

But "banned" how? And who? You will not know from the notification. You might be able to figure out the action taken (such as marked for violation of TOS, or chat banned); however, you still will not know if it is your report that caused the action or if it was some other report, and hence you don't know what behavior was actually the cause of the action; the one you reported or some behavior somebody else reported.

@Toadofsky said in #7: > Although I'm no moderator and have no interest in moderation duty, questions might still be unanswered: > 1. Do players get notified when someone they reported was banned? > 2. Do players get notified when someone they reported was chatbanned? > 3. Should players get notified when someone they reported was chatbanned? I am not a moderator either but I've been on the site long enough to have read the mods answers to similar questions. There are notifications to you, but they never mention the specific report you made or person it was made against, and those notifications may not say specifically what, if any, action was taken. As an example, in the Lichess code, in site.xml, there is the string... <string name="someoneYouReportedWasBanned">Someone you reported was banned</string> But "banned" how? And who? You will not know from the notification. You might be able to figure out the action taken (such as marked for violation of TOS, or chat banned); however, you still will not know if it is *your* report that caused the action or if it was some other report, and hence you don't know what behavior was actually the cause of the action; the one you reported or some behavior somebody else reported.

dboing

#10

Some people think the only harm that exist needs to leave bruises or worse. Or some bolts are missing and they only feel their own hurt, not that of others. Or they think that everybody in their path that irritates deserve some irritation too, without measure. Beats me how complex and rotten behavior can become when more than 1 person is involved. Rationalization has a z in it. Razor too. Some see patterns a bit too soon, being on a hurry to defend themselves by past training of such defense mechanism being protective...

I gave up. So I think it is good that bottom line lichess has such legal term. The internet is huge.

Some people think the only harm that exist needs to leave bruises or worse. Or some bolts are missing and they only feel their own hurt, not that of others. Or they think that everybody in their path that irritates deserve some irritation too, without measure. Beats me how complex and rotten behavior can become when more than 1 person is involved. Rationalization has a z in it. Razor too. Some see patterns a bit too soon, being on a hurry to defend themselves by past training of such defense mechanism being protective... I gave up. So I think it is good that bottom line lichess has such legal term. The internet is huge.