A tricky subject: „Chess has a Problem - Men“

Wouldn’t call FAZ renowned, maybe accomplished would be better fitting. They have huge gaps when they bother to cite any sources.

DW
Spiegel
Süddeutsche

are more professional in that regard.

Btw the way back machine didn’t crawl page #2 which is also missing in the translation. So far they used sexism in the headline but then talked about rape the whole time as if it was somehow associated with chess.

I think a lot of places that don't have close to equal men and women have problems. IT, construction sites, politics, executives come to mind but I'm sure there are 100s of other examples.

as an aside as it doesn't apply to chess. a few studies have shown in IT, a diverse team (gender, age, culture, wealth, whatever) of average performers out performs a monoculture team made of top performers.

It is a good thing that sexism in chess is increasingly being talked about. As almost always silence and denial are part of the problem.

@MieszkoTheFirst said in #17:
> One can acknowledge the existence of harassment and abuse without calling "men" a "problem". That's hatespeech and most men won't even bother reading - rightly so.

And what's worse is that it's only creating the problem that it's complaining about. Every time I see examples like this of hateful or degrading comments being made about an entire gender but because it's about men it's ok, it really makes me tempted to act like they are saying I act when I do encounter women in chess settings. But that wouldn't be right and I WON"T let them have that power over me. But they are really making it hard. And I can see where there would be many that would harbor that resentment and wouldn't try so hard to not fall into that type of behavior.
At least the social acceptability of this kind of reverse sexism makes me more indifferent and care less about it all.

There were some comments in „my“ forum. I like user Danalto‘s comment.

www.schachfeld.de/threads/33814-praevention-sexueller-gewalt-im-schach/page4?p=624863#post624863

Automatic translation:

„The author of the article really knows his way around the chess scene, so I suspect that he wasn't so interested in presenting incontrovertible evidence to a fictional court, but rather others, especially from the non-chess scene, on this grievance he had identified to point out. He gives examples that are sometimes drastic and justiciable, sometimes latent and thus a permanent problem. I cannot understand why he would have to prove that the deficiency in chess goes beyond the "normal level". First of all, it is enough that there is a grievance at all (that of course only applies if you share this assumption), secondly, there is a positive prejudice in large parts of society against the "intellectual athletes", which does not include a normal level of sexism fits. As part of this community, he may also want to set himself apart personally or do something to ensure that a) more people do it and b) it becomes better as a result.

On the other hand, it is correct that the key currency of journalism has not only been attention since the invention of the Internet. The examples given can also be interpreted in this way, but it does not change anything in the alleged facts, which one either believes in this way or which one would have to doubt. I am not optimistic about the latter. Therefore, despite certain shortcomings (the story with the Twitch channels seems to me to jump back and forth a bit, of course everything is very cursory), I think this article is mostly good.

In the end, the question is rather: do you think your assessment is correct or not; and less - as at least I think: Can his argumentation and presentation be contestable?

Addendum: The trigger is of course the discussion about the sponsor, because an article on the subject of chess does not end up in the FAZ without cause“

@Linspiring said in #24:
>Every time I see examples like this of hateful or degrading comments being made about an entire gender but because it's >about men it's ok, it really makes me tempted to act like they are saying I act when I do encounter women in chess settings.

So are you more tempted to sexually assault and rape women and young girls, or are you more tempted to help the rapist and turn a blind eye to their crimes?

Or are you just tempted to be sexist in different ways than what the article talked about?

>But that wouldn't be right and I WON"T let them have that power over me. But they are really making it hard.

Why do you find it hard to not be sexist?

@Sarg0n

You’ll like this German article. It’s written by three men and from 2015:

blog.zeit.de/schach/lasst-die-frauen-einfach-spielen/?wt_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.de&wt_t=1634106455145

Is it the problem of "sexism" or bad people doing bad things? Because articles like these love to blame men... well, which is not going to help out in any way.

what your name?

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