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US-citizens. - Does D.T's corona infection influence the elections?

#11

Democrats will say see u got Covid and Republicans will say im 70 and it was so mild lol.

Democrats will say see u got Covid and Republicans will say im 70 and it was so mild lol.
#13

@vishyvishal
People are basically allowed to discuss whatever they want in the forums as long as they keep it civil. Talking about politics isn't breaking the lichess terms of service, it's allowed.

@vishyvishal People are basically allowed to discuss whatever they want in the forums as long as they keep it civil. Talking about politics isn't breaking the lichess terms of service, it's allowed.
#14

Before I answer, I find it funny how there are noticeably more downvotes than upvotes in this forum.

I personally don't think it should effect the election. I find it disappointing that people are celebrating someone having a public announcement of bad health. It seems that Trump is hated so much that people will use anything now to fuel their hatred. I personally don't think he's the best or the worst president, but getting sick from a widely contracted disease should not influence election chances.

Before I answer, I find it funny how there are noticeably more downvotes than upvotes in this forum. I personally don't think it should effect the election. I find it disappointing that people are celebrating someone having a public announcement of bad health. It seems that Trump is hated so much that people will use anything now to fuel their hatred. I personally don't think he's the best or the worst president, but getting sick from a widely contracted disease should not influence election chances.
#15

I think, depending on how Trump recovers, this could work in Trumps in favour. Instead of attending his rallies in person, Trump can just speak to his audiences through zoom/skype/whatever platform and he'll spin it in a way to say that even though he has corona, a virus that has affected millions of people worldwide, he's still strong enough to address his supporters and to lead the country. And because he's apparently taking some experimental drugs to help treat covid, he could also spin in that in a way to say that he's leading the fight against covid by acting as a guinea pig. And I can see the general public eating it up because they're idiots.
That being said, I think a lot of people will see this as an excuse for Trump to try and back out of any debates with Biden and see Trump catching it as a complete lack of common sense on his part for taking corona too lightly since the beginning of the pandemic.

TL:DR It'll either help Trump or change nothing, depending on how he sells it.

I think, depending on how Trump recovers, this could work in Trumps in favour. Instead of attending his rallies in person, Trump can just speak to his audiences through zoom/skype/whatever platform and he'll spin it in a way to say that even though he has corona, a virus that has affected millions of people worldwide, he's still strong enough to address his supporters and to lead the country. And because he's apparently taking some experimental drugs to help treat covid, he could also spin in that in a way to say that he's leading the fight against covid by acting as a guinea pig. And I can see the general public eating it up because they're idiots. That being said, I think a lot of people will see this as an excuse for Trump to try and back out of any debates with Biden and see Trump catching it as a complete lack of common sense on his part for taking corona too lightly since the beginning of the pandemic. TL:DR It'll either help Trump or change nothing, depending on how he sells it.
#16

@RKasaurus_Rex No one should be happy at the prospect of another human being dying. Trump should be very concerned about >200,000 people dead from corona virus. But he has advocated not wearing masks on many occasions, has said very recently that is will just go away "like magic", has suggested that bleach or sunlight can be administered and it will "kill it", has promoted hydorxychloroquin (spelling?) will prevent it (he bragged about taking it) has held numerous rallies promoting people to avoid wearing masks and ignore social distancing and some of them have been indoors, has directed the CDC to change their recommendations to avoid transfer of the disease..... I could go on with this.

200,000 deaths on his watch.

@RKasaurus_Rex No one should be happy at the prospect of another human being dying. Trump should be very concerned about >200,000 people dead from corona virus. But he has advocated not wearing masks on many occasions, has said very recently that is will just go away "like magic", has suggested that bleach or sunlight can be administered and it will "kill it", has promoted hydorxychloroquin (spelling?) will prevent it (he bragged about taking it) has held numerous rallies promoting people to avoid wearing masks and ignore social distancing and some of them have been indoors, has directed the CDC to change their recommendations to avoid transfer of the disease..... I could go on with this. >200,000 deaths on his watch.
#17

@killF7 First of all, masks don't work if you read the actual studies. No masks are woven tightly enough to prevent something so small to get through. At that, the virus doesn't survive in large quantities in aerosol state. Most contractions of the virus happen through contact with bodily fluids or surfaces with the virus on it. Secondly, the whole sham about him suggesting bleach or sunlight was a joke and the press hammered through on it knowingly. Third, hydroxycholorquine (or however it's spelled) has been proven to kill viruses with proper dosage, but that's nothing to argue on. Fourth, he hasn't been making decisions on his own entirely. He's been listening to the elite doctors of the United States and it's hard to make the right decisions when, as you have said, the CDC and elite doctors are changing their opinions constantly.

@killF7 First of all, masks don't work if you read the actual studies. No masks are woven tightly enough to prevent something so small to get through. At that, the virus doesn't survive in large quantities in aerosol state. Most contractions of the virus happen through contact with bodily fluids or surfaces with the virus on it. Secondly, the whole sham about him suggesting bleach or sunlight was a joke and the press hammered through on it knowingly. Third, hydroxycholorquine (or however it's spelled) has been proven to kill viruses with proper dosage, but that's nothing to argue on. Fourth, he hasn't been making decisions on his own entirely. He's been listening to the elite doctors of the United States and it's hard to make the right decisions when, as you have said, the CDC and elite doctors are changing their opinions constantly.
#18

#17

  1. Masks prevent at least some aerosols from passing.
  2. Coronavirus can survive as aerosol for long enough to infect you.
  3. Don freaking joke in a serious conference, especially when you are literally the POTUS and there are people who would literally do whatever you told them to do.
  4. "Most contractions of the virus happen through contact with bodily fluids or surfaces with the virus on it." Citation needed.
  5. Again, citation needed about hydroxychloroquine. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or
  6. Cyanide, when properly dosed, will also kill the virus; but will also kill the infected person.
  7. So, fickleness and ignoring science is good? Science pushes us towards real knowledge, and our information is going to change in the meantime.
#17 1) Masks prevent at least some aerosols from passing. 2) Coronavirus can survive as aerosol for long enough to infect you. 3) Don freaking joke in a serious conference, especially when you are literally the POTUS and there are people who would literally do whatever you told them to do. 4) "Most contractions of the virus happen through contact with bodily fluids or surfaces with the virus on it." Citation needed. 5) Again, citation needed about hydroxychloroquine. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or 6) Cyanide, when properly dosed, will also kill the virus; but will also kill the infected person. 7) So, fickleness and ignoring science is good? Science pushes us towards real knowledge, and our information is going to change in the meantime.
#19

@RKasaurus_Rex
the down votes are coming from the same kid.
Your mask is to protect others from your aerosols that you launch when you sneeze and cough...and vice versa.
The argument that a mask will not stop all bad stuff getting through,therefor it's a waste of time wearing one is like telling a police officer that the kevlar vest won't stop a bullet from hitting them in the head so don't bother with it.

@RKasaurus_Rex the down votes are coming from the same kid. Your mask is to protect others from your aerosols that you launch when you sneeze and cough...and vice versa. The argument that a mask will not stop all bad stuff getting through,therefor it's a waste of time wearing one is like telling a police officer that the kevlar vest won't stop a bullet from hitting them in the head so don't bother with it.
#20

So far thank you for most of you staying polite.

Today was an article in my batch of unread editions of the Süddeutsche Zeitung before putting them into the paper recycling dustbin. It's one of the two serious sources on the daily newspaper market in Germany. (The other is the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. With serious I mean they prefer facts over opinion, even if they have clearly an opinion.) It was about the consequences of mistakes from political leaders and the reactions of their followers. Independent of the political orientation (here "right" and "left") failures of the leaders don't lead to discuss those but to search more intensively mistakes of the opponents and to efforts in strengthening the own attitudes. You can conclude yourself what this means in practise and observe if this is right.

Writing this because the desinformation about masks is dangerous and influenced by political mistakes not only in the US. Think yourself logical and you will find, that masks even protect if they don't filter out a single virus. The studies about that are internal valid. They answer the question of filtering viruses out. They pay with a loss of external validity. This is they don't look at the behavioral consequences and the further effects like aerosol spreading. I need 24/7 O2 and I go shopping only with an O2 bottle. People are clearly reacting to this by keeping more distance to me than to people without O2 nasal cannulae (hope this is correct english). And as science is, there are still questions to put.

If you connect the content of the article and combine it with the paragraph directly above, it is unavoidable that there will be found arguments by supporters of politicians playing down the importance of masks, hygiene, social distancing, health care system. It is difficult or impossible to describe this without activating ethical connotations aka emotions. But it is wrong. Neither the followers nor the opponents of those politicians want a pandemia with their consequences. Be aware of this. It's not about being good or bad, it's about solving the problems of daily life.

Pardon the long text. Back to topic from my side.

So far thank you for most of you staying polite. Today was an article in my batch of unread editions of the Süddeutsche Zeitung before putting them into the paper recycling dustbin. It's one of the two serious sources on the daily newspaper market in Germany. (The other is the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. With serious I mean they prefer facts over opinion, even if they have clearly an opinion.) It was about the consequences of mistakes from political leaders and the reactions of their followers. Independent of the political orientation (here "right" and "left") failures of the leaders don't lead to discuss those but to search more intensively mistakes of the opponents and to efforts in strengthening the own attitudes. You can conclude yourself what this means in practise and observe if this is right. Writing this because the desinformation about masks is dangerous and influenced by political mistakes not only in the US. Think yourself logical and you will find, that masks even protect if they don't filter out a single virus. The studies about that are internal valid. They answer the question of filtering viruses out. They pay with a loss of external validity. This is they don't look at the behavioral consequences and the further effects like aerosol spreading. I need 24/7 O2 and I go shopping only with an O2 bottle. People are clearly reacting to this by keeping more distance to me than to people without O2 nasal cannulae (hope this is correct english). And as science is, there are still questions to put. If you connect the content of the article and combine it with the paragraph directly above, it is unavoidable that there will be found arguments by supporters of politicians playing down the importance of masks, hygiene, social distancing, health care system. It is difficult or impossible to describe this without activating ethical connotations aka emotions. But it is wrong. Neither the followers nor the opponents of those politicians want a pandemia with their consequences. Be aware of this. It's not about being good or bad, it's about solving the problems of daily life. Pardon the long text. Back to topic from my side.

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