Is Lichess gonna stop the use of KB, it's getting ridiculous already, it's unfair and not fun to play against! I donate to this channel and play my most chess on here so please remove the KB use please!
Thank you!
Micki
Thank you!
Micki
(I'm speaking as a player here, not as a dev/mod/representative of Lichess. This opinion is my own and not necessarily that of other Lichess team members.)
While I don't play with the keyboard extension myself, I don't think it makes much sense to disallow it.
I consider it to be an input method. There are a lot of ways you can input moves on Lichess: mouse by drag-and-drop, mouse by clicking source and target, touch screen, SAN keyboard input (lichess.org/account/preferences/game-behavior "Input moves with the keyboard"), and Blind Mode. Of course, some of these are objectively better for ultra/hyper than others, yet for others it's debatable: some prefer touch screen, others prefer mouse.
What all of those input methods have in common, though, is that they provide a way for you to specify the source square and the destination square. The keyboard extension is no different in that regard. So if the keyboard extension gets banned, on what grounds would it get banned? Conceptually it's no different from what Lichess already has.
The only difference is that the other input methods are native by Lichess, and the keyboard extension is not. Does that mean that Lichess should ban all input methods that are not native to Lichess? I don't believe so, because that would only allow the input methods that the developers want to maintain (so do they get all the power?), and then the discussion will only shift to what the developers *should* maintain, with one side arguing that the keyboard extension should become native, and the other side arguing against (or, in case it would ever become native, arguing for its removal). So that does not resolve anything.
Besides, being able to enhance software to your liking is a beautiful thing, and fits well into Lichess' free software philosophy. As long as the enhancements do not break our Terms of Service, of course. But the keyboard extension does not: it's an *input method*, not *assistance* - you are still the person specifying what pieces to move.
I often hear people saying that the keyboard extension poses an unfair advantage, but I do not see how. In fact, there are many advantages one can have when playing ultra/hyper: being good at slow chess is an advantage, being young/healthy/having good reflexes is an advantage, having a stable network connection is an advantage, you get the idea. This is entirely unlike slow chess, where all you need to win is be good at chess, so ultrabullet has always been about more than that. Many of those are advantages more unfair than the keyboard extension: you can't just get younger, or trivially fix your connection if it's unstable. The keyboard extension, on the other hand, is available to install for everyone.
While I don't play with the keyboard extension myself, I don't think it makes much sense to disallow it.
I consider it to be an input method. There are a lot of ways you can input moves on Lichess: mouse by drag-and-drop, mouse by clicking source and target, touch screen, SAN keyboard input (lichess.org/account/preferences/game-behavior "Input moves with the keyboard"), and Blind Mode. Of course, some of these are objectively better for ultra/hyper than others, yet for others it's debatable: some prefer touch screen, others prefer mouse.
What all of those input methods have in common, though, is that they provide a way for you to specify the source square and the destination square. The keyboard extension is no different in that regard. So if the keyboard extension gets banned, on what grounds would it get banned? Conceptually it's no different from what Lichess already has.
The only difference is that the other input methods are native by Lichess, and the keyboard extension is not. Does that mean that Lichess should ban all input methods that are not native to Lichess? I don't believe so, because that would only allow the input methods that the developers want to maintain (so do they get all the power?), and then the discussion will only shift to what the developers *should* maintain, with one side arguing that the keyboard extension should become native, and the other side arguing against (or, in case it would ever become native, arguing for its removal). So that does not resolve anything.
Besides, being able to enhance software to your liking is a beautiful thing, and fits well into Lichess' free software philosophy. As long as the enhancements do not break our Terms of Service, of course. But the keyboard extension does not: it's an *input method*, not *assistance* - you are still the person specifying what pieces to move.
I often hear people saying that the keyboard extension poses an unfair advantage, but I do not see how. In fact, there are many advantages one can have when playing ultra/hyper: being good at slow chess is an advantage, being young/healthy/having good reflexes is an advantage, having a stable network connection is an advantage, you get the idea. This is entirely unlike slow chess, where all you need to win is be good at chess, so ultrabullet has always been about more than that. Many of those are advantages more unfair than the keyboard extension: you can't just get younger, or trivially fix your connection if it's unstable. The keyboard extension, on the other hand, is available to install for everyone.
tbh the lichess keyboard makes your move time slower
the kb extension from other websites got banned in the new lichess update
so now you have 2 options: be a man and play fast using a proper mouse
or use lichess kb and loser every ultra/hyper game you play
the kb extension from other websites got banned in the new lichess update
so now you have 2 options: be a man and play fast using a proper mouse
or use lichess kb and loser every ultra/hyper game you play
I haven't actually heard of the keyboard extension. Could someone explain to me what it is?
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@DelightfulHam
It's an extension used in ultrabullet, where you use your mouse and keyboard to make moves.
@QueenMaster77
I'm not a keyboard player and don't really play ultra.But I don't think lichess should ban it.
That extension is a tool that every player can get if he or she can download it, it's accessible to everyone.
If you think keyboard is a better tool, then just go download and use it.
It's like you and your friend run a 100m dash and there is the option of running with shoes or barefoot. Your friend chose shoes while you chose barefoot, your friend wins and then you said that he is wearing shoes and you aren't is unfair, while in reality, you get the option to put on shoes.
It's an extension used in ultrabullet, where you use your mouse and keyboard to make moves.
@QueenMaster77
I'm not a keyboard player and don't really play ultra.But I don't think lichess should ban it.
That extension is a tool that every player can get if he or she can download it, it's accessible to everyone.
If you think keyboard is a better tool, then just go download and use it.
It's like you and your friend run a 100m dash and there is the option of running with shoes or barefoot. Your friend chose shoes while you chose barefoot, your friend wins and then you said that he is wearing shoes and you aren't is unfair, while in reality, you get the option to put on shoes.
Keyboard Is actually good For Ultrabullets! For others Its slow.... But In Ub's we can type any move we want!
Video of Ulrabullet with Keyboard:
@Hillel_2012 I’m pretty sure this isn’t the keyboard extension they’re referring to in the post. The video you posted is super impressive. I didn’t even think that it was possible to be that fast while typing moves.
Yea but you can use it for everything, not just Ultra, I've people play, bullet, horde and 3 check with it and it's unfair!
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