Like Bobby Fischer went mad do you think that was because of chess or anything else. I mean other chess players have been normal but do you think that chess effects the mind to turn people mad.
No, I think madness comes from unresolved trauma and has nothing to do with chess.
wherever u go, there u are. fischers problems were personal problems. he needed help. instead of getting it, he threw away his career. if anything, chess was helping him. good way to get ur mind off of things.
@Davethera If you are truly interested in human psychology then perhaps a few courses on the subject at your local community college would do the trick.
People become mad for various phycological and pathological reasons. Chess can be used as an excuse to drive you mad as it can be anything else that you do in your life. Fisher was a special case and it's not an appropriate example to link chess and madness.
Chess keeps mad people sane.
Anything can become an obsession - and chess has that effect on some people. In my experience people who go "mad" playing chess usually had those tendencies to begin with.
On Fisher and chess becoming an obsession- I think to an extent it's covered in the movie the Search for Bobby Fisher where people who knew him quote his time in Iceland when playing Spassky and how he complained about EVERYTHING and had to be begged to play by Henry Kissinger no less. Only very few make a very good living from chess; even top GM's struggle; that constant pressure is hard and so some lose it. If Fisher had lost to Spassky would anyone have cared?
“They play with unflinching seriousness, as if life depended upon the flick of a piece or the snap of a clock - and it does. Some of these men have lost jobs and wives playing night after night, usually against the same opponent. . . . Night after night, the same men sit across from one another in the same chairs. They seem to have no sense of the passing of time.”
― Fred Waitzkin, Searching for Bobby Fischer: A Father's Story of Love and Ambition
And also another viewpoint is from my current boss, who is an IM. Basically in his youth he won a whole pile of tournaments but made only a few thousand from doing so. He made a lot more money using the skills he learnt in chess to build a successful business.
On Fisher and chess becoming an obsession- I think to an extent it's covered in the movie the Search for Bobby Fisher where people who knew him quote his time in Iceland when playing Spassky and how he complained about EVERYTHING and had to be begged to play by Henry Kissinger no less. Only very few make a very good living from chess; even top GM's struggle; that constant pressure is hard and so some lose it. If Fisher had lost to Spassky would anyone have cared?
“They play with unflinching seriousness, as if life depended upon the flick of a piece or the snap of a clock - and it does. Some of these men have lost jobs and wives playing night after night, usually against the same opponent. . . . Night after night, the same men sit across from one another in the same chairs. They seem to have no sense of the passing of time.”
― Fred Waitzkin, Searching for Bobby Fischer: A Father's Story of Love and Ambition
And also another viewpoint is from my current boss, who is an IM. Basically in his youth he won a whole pile of tournaments but made only a few thousand from doing so. He made a lot more money using the skills he learnt in chess to build a successful business.
If I have it right, I think the nervous disorders of the great Akiba Rubinstein stemmed from his experiences during the first world war. Well, that was the opinion of one his contemporaries.
Chess just a mind gym, if u think more than that, you'll be mad sooner or later
@kappakipo said in #5:
> People become mad for various phycological and pathological reasons. Chess can be used as an excuse to drive you mad as it can be anything else that you do in your life. Fisher was a special case and it's not an appropriate example to link chess and madness.
The dude is absolutely right. On behalf of all the crazy people on the planet I can assure you we were f#cking disturbed loooooooong before we start playing chess. But this violent, h3ll origined game drained the last drop of sanity we had in our tortured mindS and pushed us over the edge of absolute madness. There's no point of return for us, brothers we are long gone, AND CHESS CONTRIBUTED TO IT. #types while emailing her psychiatrist#
> People become mad for various phycological and pathological reasons. Chess can be used as an excuse to drive you mad as it can be anything else that you do in your life. Fisher was a special case and it's not an appropriate example to link chess and madness.
The dude is absolutely right. On behalf of all the crazy people on the planet I can assure you we were f#cking disturbed loooooooong before we start playing chess. But this violent, h3ll origined game drained the last drop of sanity we had in our tortured mindS and pushed us over the edge of absolute madness. There's no point of return for us, brothers we are long gone, AND CHESS CONTRIBUTED TO IT. #types while emailing her psychiatrist#
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