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#21

@Noflaps said in #12:

I was pleasantly surprised to find that this thread was pretty non-political. I was not surprised, however, to read some well-written and thoughtful comments within it.

This forum is a blessing worth much more than the cost of admission. Via this forum one may encounter, although at a distance, a great many thoughtful, articulate people.

The regulation of war is an interesting topic. It's too bad we can't regulate war itself out of existence. But although it is nearly 2026, war still seems to serve a purpose under some circumstances -- but seems morally valid, perhaps and not without fear of contradiction, only to halt a greater evil that cannot, realistically, otherwise be halted.

Yes @Noflaps "Surprised" that no one mentioned the current Administration yet in the USA ? Why so "pleasantly " "surprised"

@Noflaps said in #12: > I was pleasantly surprised to find that this thread was pretty non-political. I was not surprised, however, to read some well-written and thoughtful comments within it. > > This forum is a blessing worth much more than the cost of admission. Via this forum one may encounter, although at a distance, a great many thoughtful, articulate people. > > The regulation of war is an interesting topic. It's too bad we can't regulate war itself out of existence. But although it is nearly 2026, war still seems to serve a purpose under some circumstances -- but seems morally valid, perhaps and not without fear of contradiction, only to halt a greater evil that cannot, realistically, otherwise be halted. Yes @Noflaps "Surprised" that no one mentioned the current Administration yet in the USA ? Why so "pleasantly " "surprised"
#22

@ThunderClap said in #21:

I was pleasantly surprised to find that this thread was pretty non-political. I was not surprised, however, to read some well-written and thoughtful comments within it.

This forum is a blessing worth much more than the cost of admission. Via this forum one may encounter, although at a distance, a great many thoughtful, articulate people.

The regulation of war is an interesting topic. It's too bad we can't regulate war itself out of existence. But although it is nearly 2026, war still seems to serve a purpose under some circumstances -- but seems morally valid, perhaps and not without fear of contradiction, only to halt a greater evil that cannot, realistically, otherwise be halted.

Yes @Noflaps "Surprised" that no one mentioned the current Administration yet in the USA ? Why so "pleasantly " "surprised"

well now you mentioned it didn't you :)
but its an annoying topic and noflaps has been in plenty of arguments about it where it has turned into ad hominem against him.

@ThunderClap said in #21: > > I was pleasantly surprised to find that this thread was pretty non-political. I was not surprised, however, to read some well-written and thoughtful comments within it. > > > > This forum is a blessing worth much more than the cost of admission. Via this forum one may encounter, although at a distance, a great many thoughtful, articulate people. > > > > The regulation of war is an interesting topic. It's too bad we can't regulate war itself out of existence. But although it is nearly 2026, war still seems to serve a purpose under some circumstances -- but seems morally valid, perhaps and not without fear of contradiction, only to halt a greater evil that cannot, realistically, otherwise be halted. > > Yes @Noflaps "Surprised" that no one mentioned the current Administration yet in the USA ? Why so "pleasantly " "surprised" well now you mentioned it didn't you :) but its an annoying topic and noflaps has been in plenty of arguments about it where it has turned into ad hominem against him.
#23

@clousems

It's easy to think of the Holocaust as something more "special" and "unique" than it is in reality. Jews have a special place in American history as the foundations of American 'morality' are founded on Judeo-Christianity through an overtly 'Masonic' lens. Even for extremist organizations that were extremely influential in post WWII America, such as the KKK, the overwhelming Christian overtone of the essence of the KKK made what Nazis did in the Holocaust particularly outrageous. But, I'm afraid you're falling into the trap that mass produced controlled narratives often lead to: you're ignoring certain aspects such as Grant's immortal paraphrasing of the Jacksonian Ideal, "The only GOOD Indian is a DEAD Indian!" This statement isn't a mere consequence of getting drunk at a bar with some soldiers and shooting his mouth off at a bunch of "brown people" as I imagine Trump might do at the local 'Applebees' if Trump wasn't so rich. This statement is cold, calculating, and a reflection of how majority of 'white America' viewed the American Natives.

Not to mention what the Japanese did to the Chinese in the "Rape of Nanking," or what the Russians are currently doing to the Ukrainians, or what the ever so "blameless Jews" are currently doing to the Palestinians. My hunch is the fun is only beginning for Palestine!

Your "pet peeve" is simply misplaced if it's truly grounded in the desire to move towards a higher degree of humanitarian concern. We can't immortalize the Holocaust while ignoring the many, MANY, similar acts all rooted in hatred and ignorance.

@clousems It's easy to think of the Holocaust as something more "special" and "unique" than it is in reality. Jews have a special place in American history as the foundations of American 'morality' are founded on Judeo-Christianity through an overtly 'Masonic' lens. Even for extremist organizations that were extremely influential in post WWII America, such as the KKK, the overwhelming Christian overtone of the essence of the KKK made what Nazis did in the Holocaust particularly outrageous. But, I'm afraid you're falling into the trap that mass produced controlled narratives often lead to: you're ignoring certain aspects such as Grant's immortal paraphrasing of the Jacksonian Ideal, "The only GOOD Indian is a DEAD Indian!" This statement isn't a mere consequence of getting drunk at a bar with some soldiers and shooting his mouth off at a bunch of "brown people" as I imagine Trump might do at the local 'Applebees' if Trump wasn't so rich. This statement is cold, calculating, and a reflection of how majority of 'white America' viewed the American Natives. Not to mention what the Japanese did to the Chinese in the "Rape of Nanking," or what the Russians are currently doing to the Ukrainians, or what the ever so "blameless Jews" are currently doing to the Palestinians. My hunch is the fun is only beginning for Palestine! Your "pet peeve" is simply misplaced if it's truly grounded in the desire to move towards a higher degree of humanitarian concern. We can't immortalize the Holocaust while ignoring the many, MANY, similar acts all rooted in hatred and ignorance.
#24

Annoying ????????????? yeah annoying to the 3000+ people in Chicago who are MISSING >>> Annoying to the two people hanging on for dear life on a boat after an air strike & then another air strike to "finish them off" ... "Annoying " "Surprising" conditions at ICE facilities where detainees are having atrocities committed against every day

Annoying ????????????? yeah annoying to the 3000+ people in Chicago who are MISSING >>> Annoying to the two people hanging on for dear life on a boat after an air strike & then another air strike to "finish them off" ... "Annoying " "Surprising" conditions at ICE facilities where detainees are having atrocities committed against every day
#25

@#1
law of war is a minimum set of fairneß, of respect for life, for 'the creature'

there's nothing to not understand

• a white flag means surrender
• you don't shoot s.o. in the back
• you don't execute war prisoners
• you don't shoot civilians, helpers, medecins, ( who are all unarmed and no threat, no fighters, no soldiers )
• lots of kinds of weapons are shanned, chemical, biological, straybombs, landmines, nukes.

there's rules for fights
\- you don't punch, hit, kick the abdomen
\- you don't kick the opponent lying on the ground
\- clapping means surrender

you don't honestly think humans should fight with no rules, no fairneß, no respect for life

@#1 law of war is a minimum set of fairneß, of respect for life, for 'the creature' there's nothing to not understand • a white flag means surrender • you don't shoot s.o. in the back • you don't execute war prisoners • you don't shoot civilians, helpers, medecins, ( who are all unarmed and no threat, no fighters, no soldiers ) • lots of kinds of weapons are shanned, chemical, biological, straybombs, landmines, nukes. there's rules for fights \- you don't punch, hit, kick the abdomen \- you don't kick the opponent lying on the ground \- clapping means surrender you don't honestly think humans should fight with no rules, no fairneß, no respect for life
#26

edit:
and. it. is. n o t. in any. w a y. #1:

funny

! !

my oh my

what is going on in the world

edit: and. it. is. n o t. in any. w a y. #1: >funny ! ! my oh my what is going on in the world
#27

@all
what's all those excursion of yours into history and antiquity, into eye for eye and tolstoi NOT (lol) wikipedia, contributing to current law of war. all that simply doesn't apply anymore:

titlepost is an occasion to give examples for what should nowadays be considered war crimes

we have

  • international law
  • the UN Charta
  • the geneve convention
  • the human rights
  • the convention against genocide

these are post wwii laws
mankind has learned from history or developed higher demands on itself and how to cope with violence

1 5 3 states
have signed the UN Charta
and many have also signed the other agreements \ conventions \ laws

and we have recent crimes that by UN resolution got labeled 'genocide' as there were
the murder of rohinjas
and several more (gaza? sudan? ...?)

@all what's all those excursion of yours into history and antiquity, into eye for eye and tolstoi NOT (lol) wikipedia, contributing to current law of war. all that simply doesn't apply anymore: titlepost is an occasion to give examples for what should nowadays be considered *war crimes* we have - international law - the UN Charta - the geneve convention - the human rights - the convention against genocide these are post wwii laws mankind has learned from history or developed higher demands on itself and how to cope with violence 1 5 3 states have signed the UN Charta and many have also signed the other agreements \ conventions \ laws and we have recent crimes that by UN resolution got labeled '*genocide*' as there were the murder of rohinjas and several more (gaza? sudan? ...?)
#28

war can in case make a lot of sense when resources for survival are there for only one of two or more say tribe(s) or village(s) or people

water

resp' the lack of water or water being short
makes tribes \ parties agree to fight for who may have the water and get the chance to survive

fertile land, an oasis ... when resources for survival are small, little, short, fighting for your life to keep them is downright a necessity

such archaïc conditions should long be history .. yet indeed, right now, iran is short of water; and there's for egypt trouble for a dam up the nile restricting water (the flooding for fertility) for the lower nile countries

war can in case make a lot of sense when resources for survival are there for only one of two or more say tribe(s) or village(s) or people water resp' the lack of water or water being short makes tribes \ parties agree to fight for who may have the water and get the chance to survive fertile land, an oasis ... when resources for survival are small, little, short, fighting for your life to keep them is downright a necessity such archaïc conditions should long be history .. yet indeed, right now, iran is short of water; and there's for egypt trouble for a dam up the nile restricting water (the flooding for fertility) for the lower nile countries
#29

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@ThunderClap
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#30

@ shalt not kill
we have laws for that.
laws are the relevant criteria for not killing.
( whatever whoever whenever meant or was ever written or translated or whatever )

@ shalt not kill we have laws for that. laws are the relevant criteria for not killing. ( whatever whoever whenever meant or was ever written or translated or whatever )