No real chess skills

Classical = diving in deep blue sea
Rapid: snorkeling
Blitz: putting the toes into the water
Bullet: reminds me of a videogame

Correspondence is the only real chess, since no clock pressure. 2 weeks per move.

Remember that famous rook endgame last year when Carlsen found a great rook move in a few seconds and Caruana missed it, Caruana would have found it obviously if he had more time! Classical is not real chess! This is your logic guys :) Carlsen was just pushing Caruana’s clock. Carlsen didn’t win on skill, he won because Caruana had no time to think deeply. I don’t know if you guys realize how silly you sound.

#31

Oh, cute! I can do one, watch:

Correspondence = crawling
Classical = barely being able to walk with crutches
Rapid = walking slowly
blitz = running because you are fit and healthy.
Bullet = Usain Bolt

See? I win. I had a cute analogy! Until you have another pointless analogy and then you will win. Until I get another pointless analogy and win the argument, until you come back with another gotcha analogy etc.

No real chess skill in bullet and now in blitz either ha... interesting... I guess you have to define “real”. Let’s say we got to an early French structure Middlegame, A bullet player plays an instant correct plan because he knows the typical wing expansions and has deeper opening memorization than you, so you think slowly and lose on time. Did you get beat by the clock or “real chess skill”? be honest! You got beat by chess skill. A very real chess skill, because it says you lost on a very real computer screen in a very real world. Now you are free to whine about it, yes, but you lost to a better player. Because clock is a part of the game, you are allowed to bring to fruition your deep plans only within allowed time! Your “real” chess skill is only and only demonstrated by your rating. What you say or what you think is irrelevant. There is no need to ever question chess skill or wonder what is real chess skill and what is not, because we have rating for that :)

I am sorry but that doesn’t look like like deep chess skills, elementary stuff. Helplessly repeating moves in a basic position. A bit more technique instead of clock-bashing quality would have helped.

I try to play at least good moves, I collect my points in time trouble but that’s no my preferred way.

Correspondence -- learning how to parallel park
Classical -- driving on a country road
Blitz -- driving in city traffic
Bullet -- racing in the Daytona 500

Just trying to compete in the pointless analogy contest.

@Sarg0n I would not recognize the situation. But given about 10 second I find a move that wind for sure. It 3 minute game 10 seconds when game has lasted 60+ moves is not really possible

So i would say biggest difference is opportunity learn. Once you end up in situation like this and work out solution by calculation it far easier to rememe than reading a book . which usually end being mostly entertainment

@Kusokosla
For the record . I agree with your outlook pretty much across the board.. Also- it appears you’re taking my topic no “real” chess skills out of context. I’m saying I’m shocked I’m able to get meaningful wins over players with a high rating because (me , myself & I) possess no “real” skills. Just mental muscle memory I guess. and I prefer the faster moving game that apparently folks are deeming (not real chess) .. For me, it’s all relative — of corse you can take a more comprehensive look at things with more time — but with fast chess a lot of moves come automatically based on seeing it previously thousands of times — so no need to spend “time” analyzing it.
I’m not sure if you’re referencing me about “free to whine now” .. I’m humble — and know I’m not a great chess player - hence the reason I’m posing the questions on rating. All things be equal - I shouldn’t be able to get wins over high rated players. But, a win is a win. Sloppy, pretty, strategic or chaotic .. I don’t care about the rating points ..

#37

To clarify my posts:

Chess skill is not something one notices in oneself. You will feel exactly as skillless when you are 2500 as you do now. In fact someone made a thread here just a few days ago when he achieved 2500+ and realized that he blunders and so do his opponents all the time. It is common for Carlsen to admit he has no clue what to do in an opening as early as move 5. No matter your level you will NOT notice much if any skill improvement. As an example I feel very similar and in some way LESS skilled now than I was when I was 1500 2 years ago. In some ways I feel slightly better, in some ways I feel I know LESS now, and in some ways I feel no difference at all. This is normal.

When I refer to whining and complaining, I’m referring to many people on this forum who simply make excuses for being too slow. A perfect excuse is “I would have won if you didn’t flag me” etc. This is a really silly excuse. ALL chess games are bound by the clock. ALL chess, even correspondence chess of 2 weeks per move are limited by the clock/calendar and prevent us from calculating and thinking as deeply as possible about the position.

#35

Oh look, your OTB rating is higher than your bullet and same as your blitz, so you obviously are lying about your OTB rating! It MUST BE 03823782074793 points lower than your blitz and bullet because Sargon and statistics someone pulled out of their (censored) say so.

Nice analogy!

Let’s do more:

Classical chess = a child on a tricycle
Rapid = a lady calmly biking on a trail
Blitz = a cyclist competing in Tour de France
Bullet = world champion speed cyclist

Classical chess = an old overweight person going to a store during a COVID-19 epidemic to get toilet paper on an old motorcycle with sidecar.
Rapid chess = riding a Harley Davidson bike in a motorcycle gang
Blitz and bullet = Valentino Rossi competing in Superbike race.

To use an analogy:
Bullet chess vs Classical Chess is like comparing StarCraft with Civilization. (Both strategy games)
Real time strategy (RTS) Vs Turn Based strategy (TBS)