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Everything That You Need To Know About Chess Cheaters

Firstly, we're all human and have made mistakes. I forgive Hans, and everyone like him, for what they've done to this sport.

I hope that they choose to quit cheating so that people can play in peace again, and I wish them the very best in life.

I believe in redemption over eternal punishment.

With that said, it's dangerous to take the matter of cheating lightly...

1. Thanks to the chess world, Hans will have no problems using his chess career to eat well for the rest of his life. You're welcome, Hans.

2. If most people ever become convinced that most of the time most people are cheating, then internet chess is over. It makes a lot of sense to adequately punish cheaters by whatever means possible...be they monetarily, socially, etc.

3. How much would a titled master have to cheat in order to finally get caught?

4. Thanks to Hans, chesscom comes with the subtext of: “Chesscom...where we only let you cheat 2 or 3 times.” These optics are unacceptable and they reacted appropriately. It's not chesscom's fault that Hans has/had no respect for chess.

5. Because of Hans, the top GMs, who have amicably been playing each other for decades, are now being scanned with metal detectors. Why? Because Hans, and anyone like him, doesn't think that people deserve respect. Thanks to Hans, and anyone like him, people have to play in suspicion instead of enjoyment.

6. Hearing Hans' frustration as he accused Carlsen of "knowing exactly what he was doing" is my exact same sentiments towards Hans taking it upon himself to cheat honest chess players, thereby damaging the integrity of chess. If not for Carlsen's and Chesscom's actions, cheaters would get to ride off into the sunset and never have to acknowledge or take responsibility for the damage that they've done to the same chess world that feeds them.

7. People making mention of Carlsen “spoiling the tournament” might be a bit nearsighted. Cheaters spoiling the entirety of online chess is much more significant and is probably the bigger picture. It's good that an example has been made. Carlsen has every right to be suspicious and it's not because he's a sore loser, it's because Hans has proven that he has/had no integrity or respect for chess.

8. Game after game, after game, after game...cheaters are endlessly allowed to serve honest players plate after plate of their crap...and honest chess players are forced to eat it. There is nothing that we can do about it. But now, when the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden Hans is 'the persecuted protagonist' who should be glorified? I disagree. He is/was not a protagonist to chess.

9. Because of Hans putting so much focus on cheating, there is no doubt that anti-cheat teams now have many more cheaters to deal with. The amount of points returned to me are now up 100% in the past few days compared to the past several months.

10. The top GMs made an example out of Hans 'The Cheater' Niemann to make it clear that cheaters are not welcome in chess. It is not fine, it is not OK. Cheaters are dangerous people and represent the end of good sportsmanship, trust, kindness, good faith, respect, humanity and love...much less online chess itself.

11. Hans doesn't seem too sorry about the damage that he's caused. He just seems to be upset that people are suspicious about him...which they have every right to be. He is/was a cheater.

12. The chess world has no way of knowing if Hans is still a cheater.

13. One day, my buddy's daughter picked her nose and ate it. He stopped the party and exclaimed: “Ew! Look everybody! Kayla is eating her booger! Ahahaha!!” I don't think she ever did it again. And, while I don't think he should have shamed the toddler like that...I think it would be appropriate in the case of cheaters...which is exactly what has occurred. Well done, chess world. Well played.

Bottom Line: Nobody has the right to destroy, damage, diminish, mitigate, or otherwise spoil internet chess for the whole planet, for any reason, at all.

In Conclusion: In another 2-5-10-15 years, when Hans has invested more time playing legitimately than he has cheating, he will still be a strong GM and all of this will be forgiven and forgotten.

There will be no grudges held. Everything will be fine.

But for now, as it is, Hans' chickens have to come home to roost for a little while, first.

I believe in redemption over eternal punishment, but there is no reason to think that redemption could, or should, be easy.

This video is everything that you need to know about cheating:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Wiok4H1RY
@Onyx_Chess said in #1:
> edited because it hurts to scroll a ton if everyone quotes him. no offense, it was a wonderful essay/speech

I completely agree that hans cheating now has people questioning magnus's skill and people may be looking at titled players with suspicion now. I think it's unfair that one player doing that makes them all suspects.
Fun fact: Hans isn't the only player in that tournament that at some earlier point in their career have had their chess.com account banned for cheating.
@Onyx_Chess

1) Not guilty until proven guilty or guilty until proven guilty? There is a public lynching going on when interestingly
THERE'S NOT EVEN A FORMAL ACCUSATION. How can anyone come up with evidence ... evidence of what ? where is the accusation? made by whom? At least in this plot MC is formally "absent" in that role yet giving an example of "How to attack without sacrificing" or a lesson of action by omission or a deafening silence or "Take a sit by the river side and you will see your enemy's body floating by ..." however you prefer to put it down To hold an accusation you need to prove it and for that only hard evidence is valid, in this case such hard evidence is nearly impossible to show (unless confession), so what to do? Tell the organizers but without evidence organizers have their hands tied up (with such exceptional background from HN organizers should have taken exceptional precautions and make a very special contract for the tournament or rather not invite him to avoid trouble, now the shadows of doubt also catch up the organizers ...). So MC told the organizers then it's me or HN and we know the outcome ... Of course MC could show up and say I had a sudden persistent laugh attack and to avoid trouble I withdrew ... but honestly nobody is buying that.
2) The snow ball starts to roll, right after MC withdrawl fair play safety measures are tighten up and highgly displayed under the spot light ... how not to connect one thing with the other? that was finger pointing, next the star streamer from chess.com Nakamura surfs the wave of doubt and turns it into a tsunami of guilt while chess.com "coincidentally" shuts down the account of HN without prior warning and without issuing any reason and in the middle of the aqcuisition of chess24 and other bussiness trades of the Play Magnus Group publicly going on (surely the existing interests would never blind their objectiviness lol) both Nakamura and chess.com saying "not guilty until proven guilty" right ? lol

So far the facts, now what is left ... MC is a coward cause he does not make a formal accusation ? without evidence common sense says keep quiet and that is what he is doing. MC must clarify his silence? why? that is his move and that is his revenge for what he (and many) may believe about HN, a path that may be taken by any other player in this tournament or any tournament where HN plays in the future, withdrawals of a tournament or no show in a game against him and remaining silent .... why not? if evidence is nearly impossible to be presented in this case and the heavy background burden on HN's shoulders is skinking him and organizers cannot move a finger without proof. On the other hand also with common sense declaring HN not guilty until proven guilty, the belief in redemption of the human being, a second or third chance etc. etc. And the position of those who don't believe HN, his past condenms him, his body language is divorced of the meaning of his words, etc. etc. and so the lynching.At this heights things have turned a matter of belief, who do you believe? who do you like more perhaps? or the real question who do I feel represented by the most? who incarnates my "values" and there HN is king, from been virtually unknown to top up the conversations of the chess comunity ... the position speaks by itself right?

In a society where the "secret" motto of the "winners" is "break the rule and do not get caught" the degree of decadence and corruption is such that has reached all activities and of course chess. That is the underlying reason of cheating and that's why new Gods of this kind of game are born. The Roman Empire fell due to the corruption of their society which in turn made hollow their foundational grounds until the total collapse, they invented so many rules to deal with their corrupt scenario that their greatest legacy was the Roman Right present today in different forms and quotas in all legislations around the globe. In chess we are probably now for the first time in history leaving the Romans in second place of sophistication with Artificial Intelligence algorithms to detect online cheaters which by the way come by hordes challenging the system and trying to break the rule without getting caught while the algorithms relentlessly try to adapt to the new traps... in a dead lock loop.Technology makes what was impossible years ago a matter of routine today and so legislations try to adapt to the new ways.

Chess is a mirror reflection of the community and the times we live in. I would like to imagine ... (and I take a deep breath) like John Lennon and I do it while it is still allowed to use the imagination, at this pace soon we will be scanned to be sure imagination is the right one.
@Autofill said in #3:
> Innocent until proven guilty

get he facts. HN admitted he cheated in the past. IMHO thats what @Onyx_Chess refers to. your comment is less off topic in other threads.
@Onyx_Chess said in #1:
> 2. If most people ever become convinced that most of the time most people are cheating, then internet chess is over. It makes a lot of sense to adequately punish cheaters by whatever means possible...be they monetarily, socially, etc.

I don't know. It seems inevitable that a day will come where players won't know and won't care about online opponents.

@Onyx_Chess said in #1:
> 4. Thanks to Hans, chesscom comes with the subtext of: “Chesscom...where we only let you cheat 2 or 3 times.” These optics are unacceptable and they reacted appropriately. It's not chesscom's fault that Hans has/had no respect for chess.
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> 6. Hearing Hans' frustration as he accused Carlsen of "knowing exactly what he was doing" is my exact same sentiments towards Hans taking it upon himself to cheat honest chess players, thereby damaging the integrity of chess. If not for Carlsen's and Chesscom's actions, cheaters would get to ride off into the sunset and never have to acknowledge or take responsibility for the damage that they've done to the same chess world that feeds them.
>
> 7. People making mention of Carlsen “spoiling the tournament” might be a bit nearsighted. Cheaters spoiling the entirety of online chess is much more significant and is probably the bigger picture. It's good that an example has been made. Carlsen has every right to be suspicious and it's not because he's a sore loser, it's because Hans has proven that he has/had no integrity or respect for chess.
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> 12. The chess world has no way of knowing if Hans is still a cheater.

Gosh, it's almost as if Chess.com has at least one transparency problem. Who'd have imagined?
If you do not understand that a 19 year old, 2688 rated GM who just ___crushed___ Magnus Carlsen -- and who ___Certainly___, ___by no means___ cheated in over the board games to get to such a rating is deserving of respect, then you, let's say, live on another planet than Earth.

When he was 12 he cheated --? 7 years ago? Someone brought over a tablet? Okay, to put things in comparison is required at this point. No way shape or form does that mean you should disrespect him for a brilliant and beautiful game against the soon-to-be former, world champion.

I'm not sure why this is all going on but it seems mainly to create chaos. In any case, the rampant toxicity in the chess world has certainly reached a crescendo, and it's only proper that it go downhill from here.
Cheaters should never be allowed to profit from their activities, be that in ranking or financially.

In the case of HN, I’m of the opinion that he’s regretful enough to never repeat the mistakes he made as a kid and I don’t believe he’s cheated in OTB or is this competition. Should evidence to the contrary be provided then his career ends.

I’ve modified my previous view that it’s one strike and you’re out. Get caught a second time and it’s lights out. (Yes I know HM has acknowledged he cheated twice). From here on in cheaters should not be rewarded with a third chance.

Liches (and others) should make it explicitly clear that you will only ever get let off once. Get caught twice and you will never be welcome on any chess platform. It would be a great step if sites collaborated to remove individuals who think they can game the system.

I always hope I will get a fair game and trust that the anti cheat detection in Lichess will catch out the cheaters.
@hpqd said in #6:
> get he facts. HN admitted he cheated in the past. IMHO thats what @Onyx_Chess refers to. your comment is less off topic in other threads.
Cheated in the past doesn’t mean cheater for life

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