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If an American player said they supported the US decision to bomb Iran, would they be suspended?

#31

@lonelypeanut
Predictable but irrational response. Firstly, I used the word 'new', apparently a missed nuance, and secondly, Netanyahu is working with these religious right-wingers, but the latter are not in charge. But I suppose you think that both countries are the same, etc etc.

@lonelypeanut Predictable but irrational response. Firstly, I used the word 'new', apparently a missed nuance, and secondly, Netanyahu is working with these religious right-wingers, but the latter are not in charge. But I suppose you think that both countries are the same, etc etc.
#32

@lonelypeanut
Iran not planning to have nuclear weapons? Why was their uranium enriched so far beyond the needs of civil nuclear usage?
No misinformation please.

@lonelypeanut Iran not planning to have nuclear weapons? Why was their uranium enriched so far beyond the needs of civil nuclear usage? No misinformation please.
#33

'Suspended' is not the word here it's sacked

'Suspended' is not the word here it's sacked
#34

@stockwellpete said in #30:

On the subject of flags, why aren't Israeli players forced to play under the FIDE flag? Their country is committing a genocide and has attacked multiple surrounding countries in the last year or so, including nuclear facilities in Iran. The USA has also bombed nuclear facilities in Ran. So both Israel and the USA have committed war crimes and their players should be forced to play under a FIDE flag if Russian players are forced to do so. Then there is my country, the UK, which is facilitating the Israeli genocide in Gaza, so British players should also be forced to play under the FIDE flag. The double standards here are sickening.

I don't agree that Israel is committing a genocide, nor has this been officially proven. They're fighting a war against a terrorist group that hides amongst civilians in a dense urban area. Israel has a clear justification for its military operation given the mini-genocide on Oct 7.

Bombing a terrorist regime's nuclear facilities, which have produced 60% enriched uranium for the purpose of developing a nuclear weapon, seems like a perfectly legitimate thing to do. There can be legitimate arguments about whether it's the most effective approach of preventing the terrorist regime of Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, but it is certainly justified to stop them by any means necessary.

I see no compelling evidence that the military operation being conducted in Gaza by the IDF is a genocide, despite the admittedly high number of civilian casualties. It's just a difficult area to operate in.

@stockwellpete said in #30: > On the subject of flags, why aren't Israeli players forced to play under the FIDE flag? Their country is committing a genocide and has attacked multiple surrounding countries in the last year or so, including nuclear facilities in Iran. The USA has also bombed nuclear facilities in Ran. So both Israel and the USA have committed war crimes and their players should be forced to play under a FIDE flag if Russian players are forced to do so. Then there is my country, the UK, which is facilitating the Israeli genocide in Gaza, so British players should also be forced to play under the FIDE flag. The double standards here are sickening. I don't agree that Israel is committing a genocide, nor has this been officially proven. They're fighting a war against a terrorist group that hides amongst civilians in a dense urban area. Israel has a clear justification for its military operation given the mini-genocide on Oct 7. Bombing a terrorist regime's nuclear facilities, which have produced 60% enriched uranium for the purpose of developing a nuclear weapon, seems like a perfectly legitimate thing to do. There can be legitimate arguments about whether it's the most effective approach of preventing the terrorist regime of Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, but it is certainly justified to stop them by any means necessary. I see no compelling evidence that the military operation being conducted in Gaza by the IDF is a genocide, despite the admittedly high number of civilian casualties. It's just a difficult area to operate in.
#35

@Prophiscient said in #34:

I don't agree that Israel is committing a genocide, nor has this been officially proven. They're fighting a war against a terrorist group that hides amongst civilians in a dense urban area. Israel has a clear justification for its military operation given the mini-genocide on Oct 7.

I see no compelling evidence that the military operation being conducted in Gaza by the IDF is a genocide, despite the admittedly high number of civilian casualties. It's just a difficult area to operate in.

That is because you are a Zionist. So you think Hamas committed a "mini-genocide" on October 7, even though Israeli forces killed a lot of their own people that day (Hannibal Directive), but Israel has not committed a genocide even though it has killed at least 50 times more people, mostly women and children, some of whom were not even born when Hamas broke out of their prison in Gaza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4y5lLXwem4

Bombing a terrorist regime's nuclear facilities, which have produced 60% enriched uranium for the purpose of developing a nuclear weapon, seems like a perfectly legitimate thing to do. There can be legitimate arguments about whether it's the most effective approach of preventing the terrorist regime of Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, but it is certainly justified to stop them by any means necessary.

No, Israel is the terrorist regime. Bombing nuclear faciiities, wherever they are, is a war crime. Israel has committed a war crime. End of story. Perhaps you think everyone should now bomb Israel without warning seeing that they have multiple nuclear warheads, are not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and do not allow any inspections of their nuclear installations at all. Israeli chess players should be forced to play under the FIDE flag.

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@Prophiscient said in #34: > I don't agree that Israel is committing a genocide, nor has this been officially proven. They're fighting a war against a terrorist group that hides amongst civilians in a dense urban area. Israel has a clear justification for its military operation given the mini-genocide on Oct 7. >I see no compelling evidence that the military operation being conducted in Gaza by the IDF is a genocide, despite the admittedly high number of civilian casualties. It's just a difficult area to operate in. That is because you are a Zionist. So you think Hamas committed a "mini-genocide" on October 7, even though Israeli forces killed a lot of their own people that day (Hannibal Directive), but Israel has not committed a genocide even though it has killed at least 50 times more people, mostly women and children, some of whom were not even born when Hamas broke out of their prison in Gaza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4y5lLXwem4 > Bombing a terrorist regime's nuclear facilities, which have produced 60% enriched uranium for the purpose of developing a nuclear weapon, seems like a perfectly legitimate thing to do. There can be legitimate arguments about whether it's the most effective approach of preventing the terrorist regime of Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, but it is certainly justified to stop them by any means necessary. No, Israel is the terrorist regime. Bombing nuclear faciiities, wherever they are, is a war crime. Israel has committed a war crime. End of story. Perhaps you think everyone should now bomb Israel without warning seeing that they have multiple nuclear warheads, are not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and do not allow any inspections of their nuclear installations at all. Israeli chess players should be forced to play under the FIDE flag. .
#36

@coledavis said in #32:

@lonelypeanut
Iran not planning to have nuclear weapons? Why was their uranium enriched so far beyond the needs of civil nuclear usage?
No misinformation please.

The Ayatollah issued a fatwa against Iran having a nuclear weapon about twenty years ago, so they were not building one. US intelligence and the IAEA agreed that they were not building one. And Iran was actually in negotiations with the USA about surrendering their enriched uranium when Israel launched their cowardly attack.

@coledavis said in #32: > @lonelypeanut > Iran not planning to have nuclear weapons? Why was their uranium enriched so far beyond the needs of civil nuclear usage? > No misinformation please. The Ayatollah issued a fatwa against Iran having a nuclear weapon about twenty years ago, so they were not building one. US intelligence and the IAEA agreed that they were not building one. And Iran was actually in negotiations with the USA about surrendering their enriched uranium when Israel launched their cowardly attack.
#37

@stockwellpete said in #35:

That is because you are a Zionist.

Yes, I am a Zionist. I think Israel has a right to exist.

So you think Hamas committed a "mini-genocide" on October 7, even though Israeli forces killed a lot of their own people that day (Hannibal Directive),

If any Israelis died due to friendly fire, it's because Israelis were trying to kill terrorists who were trying to kill Jews. Do you know what percentage of Jews were killed due to friendly fire vs. by Hamas terrorists? Or are you just trying to create false narratives? Can you explain for what reason Israelis would've intentionally killed their own countrymen that day?

No, Israel is the terrorist regime.

According to who? Iran? Hamas? ISIS? You?

Bombing nuclear faciiities, wherever they are, is a war crime.

Self-preservation matters more to me than what is considered a "war crime." If bombing a terrorist regime's nuclear sites (which has 60% enriched uranium for the purpose of developing a nuclear weapon in the near future) is a "war crime," then I don't have an issue with that particular "war crime."

but Israel has not committed a genocide even though it has killed at least 50 times more people, mostly women and children,

A genocide is not determined by the number of people who died. It is determined by the special intention of annihilating a group of people based on a fundamental characteristic. Did the Allies genocide the Germans when they defeated the Nazis? Did the Americans genocide the Japanese when they bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

some of whom were not even born when Hamas broke out of their prison in Gaza.

Are you implying that you support Hamas's mini-genocide on Oct 7 by casting it in the light of them having "broke out of their prison"? Do you think Hamas (a designated terrorist group) doesn't belong in prison?

Israel has committed a war crime. End of story. Perhaps you think everyone should now bomb Israel without warning seeing that they have multiple nuclear warheads, are not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and do not allow any inspections of their nuclear installations at all. Israeli chess players should be forced to play under the FIDE flag.

The difference between Israel and Iran possessing nuclear weapons is that Iran has made multiple statements about its intention to annihilate the Jewish State. Meanwhile, Israel clearly only intends any nuclear weapons it has for defensive purposes. Understanding the moral difference between the two really shouldn't be that hard.

Most people understand the difference. That's why the Israeli flag continues to be permitted.

@stockwellpete said in #35: > That is because you are a Zionist. Yes, I am a Zionist. I think Israel has a right to exist. > So you think Hamas committed a "mini-genocide" on October 7, even though Israeli forces killed a lot of their own people that day (Hannibal Directive), If any Israelis died due to friendly fire, it's because Israelis were trying to kill terrorists who were trying to kill Jews. Do you know what percentage of Jews were killed due to friendly fire vs. by Hamas terrorists? Or are you just trying to create false narratives? Can you explain for what reason Israelis would've intentionally killed their own countrymen that day? > No, Israel is the terrorist regime. According to who? Iran? Hamas? ISIS? You? > Bombing nuclear faciiities, wherever they are, is a war crime. Self-preservation matters more to me than what is considered a "war crime." If bombing a terrorist regime's nuclear sites (which has 60% enriched uranium for the purpose of developing a nuclear weapon in the near future) is a "war crime," then I don't have an issue with that particular "war crime." > but Israel has not committed a genocide even though it has killed at least 50 times more people, mostly women and children, A genocide is not determined by the number of people who died. It is determined by the special intention of annihilating a group of people based on a fundamental characteristic. Did the Allies genocide the Germans when they defeated the Nazis? Did the Americans genocide the Japanese when they bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki? > some of whom were not even born when Hamas broke out of their prison in Gaza. Are you implying that you support Hamas's mini-genocide on Oct 7 by casting it in the light of them having "broke out of their prison"? Do you think Hamas (a designated terrorist group) doesn't belong in prison? > Israel has committed a war crime. End of story. Perhaps you think everyone should now bomb Israel without warning seeing that they have multiple nuclear warheads, are not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and do not allow any inspections of their nuclear installations at all. Israeli chess players should be forced to play under the FIDE flag. The difference between Israel and Iran possessing nuclear weapons is that Iran has made multiple statements about its intention to annihilate the Jewish State. Meanwhile, Israel clearly only intends any nuclear weapons it has for defensive purposes. Understanding the moral difference between the two really shouldn't be that hard. Most people understand the difference. That's why the Israeli flag continues to be permitted.
#38

@plmw said in #20:

THERE ARE PICTURES OF KARJAKIN AND PUTIN!!!

Lol, fair enough. But there's pictures of zillions of people with Putin, that's not the same as them being an advisor to him.

@Anfdeey said in #28:

To be honest, the conclusion is that:

  1. We should not say anything supporting war, or get a temporary suspension.

Have a great day.

That's pretty accurate. The only inaccuracy is the word temporary.

@plmw said in #20: > THERE ARE PICTURES OF KARJAKIN AND PUTIN!!! Lol, fair enough. But there's pictures of zillions of people with Putin, that's not the same as them being an advisor to him. @Anfdeey said in #28: > To be honest, the conclusion is that: > 1. We should not say anything supporting war, or get a temporary suspension. > > Have a great day. That's pretty accurate. The only inaccuracy is the word temporary.
#39

@V1g1yy said in #38:

Lol, fair enough. But there's pictures of zillions of people with Putin, that's not the same as them being an advisor to him.

That's pretty accurate. The only inaccuracy is the word temporary.

OK, true.
I was just saying, everybody deserves the gift of chess.

You see prisoners playing online chess?
My point.

@V1g1yy said in #38: > Lol, fair enough. But there's pictures of zillions of people with Putin, that's not the same as them being an advisor to him. > > > > That's pretty accurate. The only inaccuracy is the word temporary. OK, true. I was just saying, everybody deserves the gift of chess. You see prisoners playing online chess? My point.
#40

@Anfdeey said in #39:

OK, true.
I was just saying, everybody deserves the gift of chess.

You see prisoners playing online chess?
My point.

My point was there's just no connection between the chess players and the government officials, almost regardless of who it is. In the US, Bobby Fischer was invited to the White House, though I don't think he ever went. Later the US government threatened him to the point he left the country. He lived out his life until death in Iceland I believe, where I think he's buried. This was over him wanting to play chess in countries regardless of whether there was cold war friction or not. He viewed chess completely separate from politics and so do i.

It is that same level of absurdity that's being applied to players today.

I mean seriously, can somebody tell me what benefit there has been to the war situation worldwide, by taking away the flags of Nepo and Daniil Dubov on the fide site, here and chestcom? Does one of them drive a tank or fly a bomber on the days they're not playing chess? I seriously doubt it, eh?

@Anfdeey said in #39: > OK, true. > I was just saying, everybody deserves the gift of chess. > > You see prisoners playing online chess? > My point. My point was there's just no connection between the chess players and the government officials, almost regardless of who it is. In the US, Bobby Fischer was invited to the White House, though I don't think he ever went. Later the US government threatened him to the point he left the country. He lived out his life until death in Iceland I believe, where I think he's buried. This was over him wanting to play chess in countries regardless of whether there was cold war friction or not. He viewed chess completely separate from politics and so do i. It is that same level of absurdity that's being applied to players today. I mean seriously, can somebody tell me what benefit there has been to the war situation worldwide, by taking away the flags of Nepo and Daniil Dubov on the fide site, here and chestcom? Does one of them drive a tank or fly a bomber on the days they're not playing chess? I seriously doubt it, eh?

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