@sgtlaugh said in #20:
Hmm, interesting discussion here. Personally, I agree with what @mango-in-my-teeth said below.
That being said, I believe people should be allowed to wear whatever they want to unless there is a good reason to prevent them from not doing so. The problem with setting an appropriate or modest dress code is that it can be very subjective. For instance, when you mention some dresses as too revealing, it is vague. Even if you describe it, perhaps you find a bikini to be too revealing, and you are okay with women wearing short pants or sleeveless tops in public. For someone else, it could be different and they'd say that wearing short pants or sleeveless tops is immodest too. In Muslim countries, as @QueenRosieMary mentions, if a woman reveals her hair, people would say that's inappropriate as well.
We are often taught a certain way of standard when we are brought up (by family, society, or culture), but oftentimes, it makes no logical sense and might lead to unwanted side effects. We are taught that wearing suits in a formal meeting is appropriate, but wearing T-shirts is not. But what harm is there if someone wears a T-shirt? That when a woman wears something revealing, it is immodest, but then again, what is the rationale behind that? Feeling attraction between opposite sexes is natural, and what keeps us from being extinct. It doesn't have to be a taboo or something that we should find immodest. Fortunately, the world is changing, slowly but it is changing :)
By the way @Letpchess, I only meant to share my thoughts on this. I understand and can respect your personal views.
As always, I appreciate a great, polite discussion. We got off on a tangent than what I originally thought this forum would be about, but ok.
I think respecting cultural norms is important. I have been to Israel and I remember being so ashamed when other tourists I was traveling with made a fuss about not being able to enter a Jewish temple where people were worshipping because they were wearing shorts instead of long pants or long skirts. It's their place of worship and we were tourists, we had no business demanding they accommodate us. It was an embarrassing moment for me the way my travelling companions loudly complained in a place where we should have been silent. :-( I was wearing a long skirt because we had been warned ahead of time, but they didn't want to because it was hot and they thought they could do as they wanted... Not a good moment...
I've travelled to various European countries and different beaches and seen the various levels of clothing culturally appropriate for them. I understand this too.
I guess my rule of thumb is to know where you are and never be more extreme than the locals. It's a respect thing for me. Where I am there is a cultural norm as well. MOST men and women wear what I would call typical dress. Men mainly wear light pants and light weight button down shirts in the summer. Shorts are not really popular for men unless they are working out. Shorts are mostly for boys, not men. Women MOSTLY wear beautiful summer dresses varying in length from just above the knee to nearing the ankle... But they are cute and light in the summer breeze. But then there are women who in my opinion, break the traditional "dress code" and have a kind of competition for the most shocking outfit. In my opinion it isn't for the sake of trying to stay cool in hot weather, but to show off their figures.
I know the popular answer is just to say everything is natural and beautiful and everyone should wear whatever, whenever... I just disagree with the masses I guess. I think people should be comfortable and happy and confident in what they wear. ABSOLUTELY. But when wearing something that stands out as attention seeking and inappropriate in the context of the place or event, well... It's not something I would do or enjoy seeing... But if you want to go shirtless to a job interview, by all means, give it a try... ;-) I think they have the right not to hire you though. :-) and why would they not hire a man who shows up to a job interview in shorts, no shirt and barefoot? Because it is inappropriate to the context. That's all I am saying. Some women dress inappropriately to the norm just to stand out and turn heads and during the summer time, where I am, there is a perfect excuse for this because usually it's hot... So more people do it. I am SO GLAD it has been raining a lot this summer....hahaha...More people have enough sense to keep their Clothes ON!
I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. Just my honest opinion here. You are welcome to yours.
@sgtlaugh said in #20:
> Hmm, interesting discussion here. Personally, I agree with what @mango-in-my-teeth said below.
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> That being said, I believe people should be allowed to wear whatever they want to unless there is a good reason to prevent them from not doing so. The problem with setting an appropriate or modest dress code is that it can be very subjective. For instance, when you mention some dresses as too revealing, it is vague. Even if you describe it, perhaps you find a bikini to be too revealing, and you are okay with women wearing short pants or sleeveless tops in public. For someone else, it could be different and they'd say that wearing short pants or sleeveless tops is immodest too. In Muslim countries, as @QueenRosieMary mentions, if a woman reveals her hair, people would say that's inappropriate as well.
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> We are often taught a certain way of standard when we are brought up (by family, society, or culture), but oftentimes, it makes no logical sense and might lead to unwanted side effects. We are taught that wearing suits in a formal meeting is appropriate, but wearing T-shirts is not. But what harm is there if someone wears a T-shirt? That when a woman wears something revealing, it is immodest, but then again, what is the rationale behind that? Feeling attraction between opposite sexes is natural, and what keeps us from being extinct. It doesn't have to be a taboo or something that we should find immodest. Fortunately, the world is changing, slowly but it is changing :)
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> By the way @Letpchess, I only meant to share my thoughts on this. I understand and can respect your personal views.
As always, I appreciate a great, polite discussion. We got off on a tangent than what I originally thought this forum would be about, but ok.
I think respecting cultural norms is important. I have been to Israel and I remember being so ashamed when other tourists I was traveling with made a fuss about not being able to enter a Jewish temple where people were worshipping because they were wearing shorts instead of long pants or long skirts. It's their place of worship and we were tourists, we had no business demanding they accommodate us. It was an embarrassing moment for me the way my travelling companions loudly complained in a place where we should have been silent. :-( I was wearing a long skirt because we had been warned ahead of time, but they didn't want to because it was hot and they thought they could do as they wanted... Not a good moment...
I've travelled to various European countries and different beaches and seen the various levels of clothing culturally appropriate for them. I understand this too.
I guess my rule of thumb is to know where you are and never be more extreme than the locals. It's a respect thing for me. Where I am there is a cultural norm as well. MOST men and women wear what I would call typical dress. Men mainly wear light pants and light weight button down shirts in the summer. Shorts are not really popular for men unless they are working out. Shorts are mostly for boys, not men. Women MOSTLY wear beautiful summer dresses varying in length from just above the knee to nearing the ankle... But they are cute and light in the summer breeze. But then there are women who in my opinion, break the traditional "dress code" and have a kind of competition for the most shocking outfit. In my opinion it isn't for the sake of trying to stay cool in hot weather, but to show off their figures.
I know the popular answer is just to say everything is natural and beautiful and everyone should wear whatever, whenever... I just disagree with the masses I guess. I think people should be comfortable and happy and confident in what they wear. ABSOLUTELY. But when wearing something that stands out as attention seeking and inappropriate in the context of the place or event, well... It's not something I would do or enjoy seeing... But if you want to go shirtless to a job interview, by all means, give it a try... ;-) I think they have the right not to hire you though. :-) and why would they not hire a man who shows up to a job interview in shorts, no shirt and barefoot? Because it is inappropriate to the context. That's all I am saying. Some women dress inappropriately to the norm just to stand out and turn heads and during the summer time, where I am, there is a perfect excuse for this because usually it's hot... So more people do it. I am SO GLAD it has been raining a lot this summer....hahaha...More people have enough sense to keep their Clothes ON!
I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. Just my honest opinion here. You are welcome to yours.
As a male just starting high school, I don't really pay attention to what I wear (other than official settings like orchestra concerts where I perform, interviews, graduations, etc etc). Normally it's just the first shirt, pant and socks out of the drawer, plus a hoodie all over it. Generally, it's both comfortable and looks socially acceptable. I try to be a minimalist (to conserve money) as much as I can, as I don't believe extravagant living should be anyone's current priority, especially when there may or may not be an economic recession soon. I won't judge people for what they wear unless they're clearly doing so just to gain attention.
As a male just starting high school, I don't really pay attention to what I wear (other than official settings like orchestra concerts where I perform, interviews, graduations, etc etc). Normally it's just the first shirt, pant and socks out of the drawer, plus a hoodie all over it. Generally, it's both comfortable and looks socially acceptable. I try to be a minimalist (to conserve money) as much as I can, as I don't believe extravagant living should be anyone's current priority, especially when there may or may not be an economic recession soon. I won't judge people for what they wear unless they're clearly doing so just to gain attention.
@Imagodsobeit said in #22:
As a male just starting high school, I don't really pay attention to what I wear (other than official settings like orchestra concerts where I perform, interviews, graduations, etc etc). Normally it's just the first shirt, pant and socks out of the drawer, plus a hoodie all over it. Generally, it's both comfortable and looks socially acceptable. I try to be a minimalist (to conserve money) as much as I can, as I don't believe extravagant living should be anyone's current priority, especially when there may or may not be an economic recession soon. I won't judge people for what they wear unless they're clearly doing so just to gain attention.
Yes... Thanks for sharing. My sons wore about the same in high school. Simple. Hoodies were their standard go to... Worked just fine and then they would dress up for special occassions like you said.
@Imagodsobeit said in #22:
> As a male just starting high school, I don't really pay attention to what I wear (other than official settings like orchestra concerts where I perform, interviews, graduations, etc etc). Normally it's just the first shirt, pant and socks out of the drawer, plus a hoodie all over it. Generally, it's both comfortable and looks socially acceptable. I try to be a minimalist (to conserve money) as much as I can, as I don't believe extravagant living should be anyone's current priority, especially when there may or may not be an economic recession soon. I won't judge people for what they wear unless they're clearly doing so just to gain attention.
Yes... Thanks for sharing. My sons wore about the same in high school. Simple. Hoodies were their standard go to... Worked just fine and then they would dress up for special occassions like you said.
Yes I do , they often but not always make people what they are, for example: those who wear shorts in winter because they want to show off some hidious Tattoos to get attention while simultaneously wearing a thick winter coat ! (can't see any other reason).
Im very sure I'm judged for wearing Jeans and jumpers all the time (not in the bath though) no one judges me there because I lock the door. :).
Yes I do , they often but not always make people what they are, for example: those who wear shorts in winter because they want to show off some hidious Tattoos to get attention while simultaneously wearing a thick winter coat ! (can't see any other reason).
Im very sure I'm judged for wearing Jeans and jumpers all the time (not in the bath though) no one judges me there because I lock the door. :).
@Mrchess78 said in #24:
Yes I do , they often but not always make people what they are, for example: those who wear shorts in winter because they want to show off some hidious Tattoos to get attention while simultaneously wearing a thick winter coat ! (can't see any other reason).
Im very sure I'm judged for wearing Jeans and jumpers all the time (not in the bath though) no one judges me there because I lock the door. :).
YES! FINALLY the kind of answers I was looking for in the first place! You saved my forum! The coat/shorts example is pretty funny! Thanks!
@Mrchess78 said in #24:
> Yes I do , they often but not always make people what they are, for example: those who wear shorts in winter because they want to show off some hidious Tattoos to get attention while simultaneously wearing a thick winter coat ! (can't see any other reason).
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> Im very sure I'm judged for wearing Jeans and jumpers all the time (not in the bath though) no one judges me there because I lock the door. :).
YES! FINALLY the kind of answers I was looking for in the first place! You saved my forum! The coat/shorts example is pretty funny! Thanks!
@Letpchess
Lol, I realise now I made a parapraxis there when I said no one judges me in the bath as I lock the door, That yes, I lock the door but I still am wearing my Jeans and Jumper in the bath however. :).
@Letpchess
Lol, I realise now I made a parapraxis there when I said no one judges me in the bath as I lock the door, That yes, I lock the door but I still am wearing my Jeans and Jumper in the bath however. :).
@Mrchess78 said in #26:
@Letpchess
Lol, I realise now I made a parapraxis there when I said no one judges me in the bath as I lock the door, That yes, I lock the door but I still am wearing my Jeans and Jumper in the bath however. :).
I didn't care. I was just SO THANKFUL to finally be on topic. :-D
@Mrchess78 said in #26:
> @Letpchess
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> Lol, I realise now I made a parapraxis there when I said no one judges me in the bath as I lock the door, That yes, I lock the door but I still am wearing my Jeans and Jumper in the bath however. :).
I didn't care. I was just SO THANKFUL to finally be on topic. :-D
I judge people based on their opinions on various aspects. Things like clothes or look aren't enough to correctly judge anyone.
I judge people based on their opinions on various aspects. Things like clothes or look aren't enough to correctly judge anyone.
@Akbar2thegreat said in #28:
I judge people based on their opinions on various aspects. Things like clothes or look aren't enough to correctly judge anyone.
AND THAT is refreshing too. I still think that what we wear makes a first impression though, but it is nice to hear you take the time to get to know someone. I have never been on a dating app and never will, but I think about how apps have trained people to swipe right or left based on these first appearances and I wonder if that impacts how people see others in the real world. Does all that swiping translate into making split second judgements? And that is another thing I was thinking about when I started this forum. I'm always interested in how the brain works...
In a room full of people, I never stand out as "best dressed" because it is just not something I care to spend money on. I remember once I bought some Gucci pants at a thrift store. I really had no idea the green and red stripe thing was a Gucci label that could be seen on the pocket. I was just thrilled to get some pants that fit in all the right places... Ladies, you know what I mean... but usually by the time you get the waist right, the length is wrong or it doesn't fit right in other ways. So, I wore these pants to work and my students noticed and told me what I had bought... I really am that clueless on name brands. ;-)
So, anyway, I liked what you said.
@Akbar2thegreat said in #28:
> I judge people based on their opinions on various aspects. Things like clothes or look aren't enough to correctly judge anyone.
AND THAT is refreshing too. I still think that what we wear makes a first impression though, but it is nice to hear you take the time to get to know someone. I have never been on a dating app and never will, but I think about how apps have trained people to swipe right or left based on these first appearances and I wonder if that impacts how people see others in the real world. Does all that swiping translate into making split second judgements? And that is another thing I was thinking about when I started this forum. I'm always interested in how the brain works...
In a room full of people, I never stand out as "best dressed" because it is just not something I care to spend money on. I remember once I bought some Gucci pants at a thrift store. I really had no idea the green and red stripe thing was a Gucci label that could be seen on the pocket. I was just thrilled to get some pants that fit in all the right places... Ladies, you know what I mean... but usually by the time you get the waist right, the length is wrong or it doesn't fit right in other ways. So, I wore these pants to work and my students noticed and told me what I had bought... I really am that clueless on name brands. ;-)
So, anyway, I liked what you said.
@Letpchess said in #29:
AND THAT is refreshing too. I still think that what we wear makes a first impression though, but it is nice to hear you take the time to get to know someone. I have never been on a dating app and never will, but I think about how apps have trained people to swipe right or left based on these first appearances and I wonder if that impacts how people see others in the real world. Does all that swiping translate into making split second judgements? And that is another thing I was thinking about when I started this forum. I'm always interested in how the brain works...
In a room full of people, I never stand out as "best dressed" because it is just not something I care to spend money on. I remember once I bought some Gucci pants at a thrift store. I really had no idea the green and red stripe thing was a Gucci label that could be seen on the pocket. I was just thrilled to get some pants that fit in all the right places... Ladies, you know what I mean... but usually by the time you get the waist right, the length is wrong or it doesn't fit right in other ways. So, I wore these pants to work and my students noticed and told me what I had bought... I really am that clueless on name brands. ;-)
So, anyway, I liked what you said.
I wouldn't go on those apps either, but if I did I would header my add with : "I know what you Women want !! , Somebody else" !. :).
Anyway their obviously all 10s on there of course ! and we here that from the Horses mouths, yet the Men they apparently expect to find there are Leonardo Dicaprio, Colin Firth & Hugh Jackman etc.
@Letpchess said in #29:
> AND THAT is refreshing too. I still think that what we wear makes a first impression though, but it is nice to hear you take the time to get to know someone. I have never been on a dating app and never will, but I think about how apps have trained people to swipe right or left based on these first appearances and I wonder if that impacts how people see others in the real world. Does all that swiping translate into making split second judgements? And that is another thing I was thinking about when I started this forum. I'm always interested in how the brain works...
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> In a room full of people, I never stand out as "best dressed" because it is just not something I care to spend money on. I remember once I bought some Gucci pants at a thrift store. I really had no idea the green and red stripe thing was a Gucci label that could be seen on the pocket. I was just thrilled to get some pants that fit in all the right places... Ladies, you know what I mean... but usually by the time you get the waist right, the length is wrong or it doesn't fit right in other ways. So, I wore these pants to work and my students noticed and told me what I had bought... I really am that clueless on name brands. ;-)
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> So, anyway, I liked what you said.
I wouldn't go on those apps either, but if I did I would header my add with : "I know what you Women want !! , Somebody else" !. :).
Anyway their obviously all 10s on there of course ! and we here that from the Horses mouths, yet the Men they apparently expect to find there are Leonardo Dicaprio, Colin Firth & Hugh Jackman etc.