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Ukraine Fightback - what is needed?

#51

@pretzelattack1 said in #49:

lOL 30 to 1 ratio in dead soldiers and "Russia is losing more men than Ukraine" do not go together. Trump is in the process of getting whatever he can salvage from the ruins of this failed proxy war, but typically for the US, the country it uses is paying the cost. however that plays out, the US plans to pivot to yet another war to make money for defense contractors and oil companies and to desperately try to maintain its hold on a fading empire. probably Venezuela, where it is using the pretext of "narco terrorism" to justify it, much as it used the prextext that Russia started the war, after the US fomented a coup and overthrew the legitimate government of UKraine in 2014.

Sad but true. Uncle Sam is a deranged, old, nasty man struggling to hold up the empire while pooping in his pants
( crumbling american economy, infrastructure, drug addiction etc). And yes I am a US vet, and so was my father a paratrooper in WW2. So I am not anti American just against our despicable government.

@pretzelattack1 said in #49: > lOL 30 to 1 ratio in dead soldiers and "Russia is losing more men than Ukraine" do not go together. Trump is in the process of getting whatever he can salvage from the ruins of this failed proxy war, but typically for the US, the country it uses is paying the cost. however that plays out, the US plans to pivot to yet another war to make money for defense contractors and oil companies and to desperately try to maintain its hold on a fading empire. probably Venezuela, where it is using the pretext of "narco terrorism" to justify it, much as it used the prextext that Russia started the war, after the US fomented a coup and overthrew the legitimate government of UKraine in 2014. Sad but true. Uncle Sam is a deranged, old, nasty man struggling to hold up the empire while pooping in his pants ( crumbling american economy, infrastructure, drug addiction etc). And yes I am a US vet, and so was my father a paratrooper in WW2. So I am not anti American just against our despicable government.
#52

the reason for the war is the manic desire of the United States to maintain it's failing grip on the world. it is not going to succeed. China is surpassing it economically, and Russia is surpassing it militarily. fortunately these superpowers are not aggressive military expansionsits like the US. there is large amount of opposition to the US foreign policy within the US, and includes many former Trump supporters, who do not support genocide in Gaza or constantly trying to provoke Russia via taking over neighboring states and using them to attack it.

the reason for the war is the manic desire of the United States to maintain it's failing grip on the world. it is not going to succeed. China is surpassing it economically, and Russia is surpassing it militarily. fortunately these superpowers are not aggressive military expansionsits like the US. there is large amount of opposition to the US foreign policy within the US, and includes many former Trump supporters, who do not support genocide in Gaza or constantly trying to provoke Russia via taking over neighboring states and using them to attack it.
#53

@pretzelattack1

lOL 30 to 1 ratio in dead soldiers and "Russia is losing more men than Ukraine" do not go together

How does the ratio of body swaps relate to the ratio of losses in this war?

trying to provoke Russia via taking over neighboring states and using them to attack it.

Did Ukraine attack Russia?

@pretzelattack1 > lOL 30 to 1 ratio in dead soldiers and "Russia is losing more men than Ukraine" do not go together How does the ratio of body swaps relate to the ratio of losses in this war? > trying to provoke Russia via taking over neighboring states and using them to attack it. Did Ukraine attack Russia?
#54

@DuMussDieUhrDruecken

It might be best to focus your energies on something else other than the Russian-Ukraine conflict. Much of this is pointless to spend time trying to figure out as it likely just comes down to 'might makes right.' For example, what right do the Americans have in engaging in the "Nuremburg Trials" when just a few decades previous the Americans were finishing the extermination of 9 million Native Americans. A genocide that is to this day is entirely ignored. Or what about the extermination of the Herero tribe of Namibia which the Germans exterminated!? The world has forgotten that as well!

This all comes down to might makes right! The Americans and the western allies of WWII, following that conflict, engaged in their little circus trial of punishing Germans for "so called war crimes" while ignoring all the war crimes the Russians inflicted on the Germans, or the Americans onto the Italians, etc. Same as this situation in Ukraine in which in the mid1990's the US promised to defend Ukraine against invasion from Russia in exchange for Ukraine surrendering its nuclear weapons. Ukraine today is basically a corrupt and criminal nation, while Russia is just a power-hungry nation desperately trying to compete with western powers. This all comes down unfortunately to 'might makes right.' Russia will eventually take a lot of Ukraine, supposed peace accords will be attributed to nations like the US, and crimes that occur through such conflicts will remain largely ignored and the attention of the general public will turn, as it always does, towards the daily struggles of costs for food, energy, etc.

Hence, it's a fruitless speculation to find a 'just' solution to conflicts like Ukraine-Russia.

@DuMussDieUhrDruecken It might be best to focus your energies on something else other than the Russian-Ukraine conflict. Much of this is pointless to spend time trying to figure out as it likely just comes down to 'might makes right.' For example, what right do the Americans have in engaging in the "Nuremburg Trials" when just a few decades previous the Americans were finishing the extermination of 9 million Native Americans. A genocide that is to this day is entirely ignored. Or what about the extermination of the Herero tribe of Namibia which the Germans exterminated!? The world has forgotten that as well! This all comes down to might makes right! The Americans and the western allies of WWII, following that conflict, engaged in their little circus trial of punishing Germans for "so called war crimes" while ignoring all the war crimes the Russians inflicted on the Germans, or the Americans onto the Italians, etc. Same as this situation in Ukraine in which in the mid1990's the US promised to defend Ukraine against invasion from Russia in exchange for Ukraine surrendering its nuclear weapons. Ukraine today is basically a corrupt and criminal nation, while Russia is just a power-hungry nation desperately trying to compete with western powers. This all comes down unfortunately to 'might makes right.' Russia will eventually take a lot of Ukraine, supposed peace accords will be attributed to nations like the US, and crimes that occur through such conflicts will remain largely ignored and the attention of the general public will turn, as it always does, towards the daily struggles of costs for food, energy, etc. Hence, it's a fruitless speculation to find a 'just' solution to conflicts like Ukraine-Russia.
#55

@pretzelattack1 said in #52:

the reason for the war is the manic desire of the United States to maintain it's failing grip on the world. it is not going to succeed. China is surpassing it economically, and Russia is surpassing it militarily. fortunately these superpowers are not aggressive military expansionsits like the US. there is large amount of opposition to the US foreign policy within the US, and includes many former Trump supporters, who do not support genocide in Gaza or constantly trying to provoke Russia via taking over neighboring states and using them to attack it.

Agreed the big question is what will a failing empire do as it collapses? Will it start a hot world war III?

@pretzelattack1 said in #52: > the reason for the war is the manic desire of the United States to maintain it's failing grip on the world. it is not going to succeed. China is surpassing it economically, and Russia is surpassing it militarily. fortunately these superpowers are not aggressive military expansionsits like the US. there is large amount of opposition to the US foreign policy within the US, and includes many former Trump supporters, who do not support genocide in Gaza or constantly trying to provoke Russia via taking over neighboring states and using them to attack it. Agreed the big question is what will a failing empire do as it collapses? Will it start a hot world war III?
#56

@tpr said in #41:

#40
Source = TV documentary.

the only place it comes up is this thread

@tpr said in #41: > #40 > Source = TV documentary. the only place it comes up is this thread
#57

@pretzelattack1 said in #52:

the reason for the war is the manic desire of the United States to maintain it's failing grip on the world. it is not going to succeed. China is surpassing it economically, and Russia is surpassing it militarily.

lol if you honestly think Russia is surpassing the US militarily - I really don't know what to tell you. Maybe the most absurd take I've heard in a long time. The US would have to have Trump for another 30 years to resemble the state that the Russian military is in now.

fortunately these superpowers are not aggressive military expansionsits like the US.

lol if you really think Ukraine isn't an expansionist war I don't know what to tell you

Also; Russia isn't remotely a superpower, they're a gas station with nukes

@pretzelattack1 said in #52: > the reason for the war is the manic desire of the United States to maintain it's failing grip on the world. it is not going to succeed. China is surpassing it economically, and Russia is surpassing it militarily. lol if you honestly think Russia is surpassing the US militarily - I really don't know what to tell you. Maybe the most absurd take I've heard in a long time. The US would have to have Trump for another 30 years to resemble the state that the Russian military is in now. >fortunately these superpowers are not aggressive military expansionsits like the US. lol if you really think Ukraine isn't an expansionist war I don't know what to tell you Also; Russia isn't remotely a superpower, they're a gas station with nukes
#58

@pretzelattack1 said in #49:

lOL 30 to 1 ratio in dead soldiers and "Russia is losing more men than Ukraine"

Bruh what are you talking about, who on earth reports 30:1?? LMaoooo its like you managed to find russian propaganda somehow more blatant than the russian MOD and RT itself

@pretzelattack1 said in #49: > lOL 30 to 1 ratio in dead soldiers and "Russia is losing more men than Ukraine" Bruh what are you talking about, who on earth reports 30:1?? LMaoooo its like you managed to find russian propaganda somehow more blatant than the russian MOD and RT itself
#59

@ soldiers lost
there is no numbers \ amounts published of ukrainian soldiers lost.

the kursk invasion was by 3,000 ukrainian soldiers - ru needed 30,000 + 10,000 north koreans ( who were of no help ) to fight it back.

fortifications need very few soldiers to hold - if attacked , attacker loses many times more soldiers and gear and is in most cases an absurd thing to attempt - now, t h a t is what pºººn doesn't care(!!) about and brute forces his own fellow men into ukrainian fire for tiny gain of only meters.
pººº n is not "russian", he's a 'tyrant', - he's a traitor on and murderer of his own men.

Ukraine, on the other side of the front, cherishes every single soldier's life and rather retreats to save them, than holding on to even very important logistical knots. Ukraine fares it's defense with caution & cleverness.

@ soldiers lost there is no numbers \ amounts published of ukrainian soldiers lost. the kursk invasion was by 3,000 ukrainian soldiers - ru needed 30,000 + 10,000 north koreans ( who were of no help ) to fight it back. fortifications need very few soldiers to hold - if attacked , attacker loses many times more soldiers and gear and is in most cases an absurd thing to attempt - now, *t h a t* is what pºººn doesn't care(!!) about and brute forces his own fellow men into ukrainian fire for tiny gain of only meters. pººº n is not "russian", he's a '*tyrant*', - he's a traitor on and murderer of his own men. Ukraine, on the other side of the front, cherishes every single soldier's life and rather retreats to save them, than holding on to even very important logistical knots. Ukraine fares it's defense with caution & cleverness.
#60

@CountDorio
are you telling me to learn from history that warcrimes, genocide & cruelty are normal?!

violaters of international law & order, aggressors, criminals against humanity "eventually" get held responsible, beaten.
TheHague, the UN consider such and state these in resolutions. it may take soon or late for justice to happen, but none of it ( what gets documented, claimed, investigated, proven ) is forgotten.
bin laden,
saddam,
arafat,
ghaddhafi,
assad
can tell.
putin is much likely to join them
( even at anyway a highly advanced age where death is an all time companion anyway ).

@CountDorio are you telling me to learn from history that warcrimes, genocide & cruelty are normal?! violaters of international law & order, aggressors, criminals against humanity "eventually" get held responsible, beaten. TheHague, the UN consider such and state these in resolutions. it may take soon or late for justice to happen, but none of it ( what gets documented, claimed, investigated, proven ) is forgotten. bin laden, saddam, arafat, ghaddhafi, assad can tell. putin is much likely to join them ( even at anyway a highly advanced age where death is an all time companion anyway ).

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