@crankydragon said ^
"American war against Russia"?
there hasn't been US aid in a year. They have to rely on homemade and European weapons to defend themselves.
who do u think has been behind this? The EU does not take a shit without US permission.
I think you haven’t been reading the news in at least two years.
The US is still funding they just do it thru the EU. Look at US funds total and the EU total which is larger?
And let the EU take the credit? Of course, if any aid was coming they’d do it themselves. Free publicity, too.
Yes this is a war against Russia,
If they wanted a war against Russia, they wouldn’t have waited to for Russia to invade.
and for all those who think this is so important please go to Ukraine and fight for them!
So if you think Russia is fighting a sacred war of defense against the evil NATO, go join Wagner.
@crankydragon said [^](/forum/redirect/post/YbGEPzFB)
> > "American war against Russia"?
> > there hasn't been US aid in a year. They have to rely on homemade and European weapons to defend themselves.
>
> who do u think has been behind this? The EU does not take a shit without US permission.
I think you haven’t been reading the news in at least two years.
> The US is still funding they just do it thru the EU. Look at US funds total and the EU total which is larger?
And let the EU take the credit? Of course, if any aid was coming they’d do it themselves. Free publicity, too.
> Yes this is a war against Russia,
If they wanted a war against Russia, they wouldn’t have waited to for Russia to invade.
> and for all those who think this is so important please go to Ukraine and fight for them!
So if you think Russia is fighting a sacred war of defense against the evil NATO, go join Wagner.
"NATO should have been disbanded when the Soviet Union was disbanded."
- NATO was a defensive alliance created out of fear of the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union then said themselves they could capture Gibraltar in two days.
Russia still has most nuclear weapons in the world.
Sweden and Finland joined NATO after years of neutrality, so now they fear more than before.
"Russia does not own Ukraine"
- Likewise the USA does not own South America.
Trump I and Russia agreed that Russia could do whatever it wanted with Ukraine and the USA could do whatever it wanted with Venezuela.
"None of those cities and countries are defenseless"
- Germany is defenseless. France and the United Kingdom each have 4 nuclear submarines that can retaliate with nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles, if they are not destroyed before.
"NATO should have been disbanded when the Soviet Union was disbanded."
* NATO was a defensive alliance created out of fear of the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union then said themselves they could capture Gibraltar in two days.
Russia still has most nuclear weapons in the world.
Sweden and Finland joined NATO after years of neutrality, so now they fear more than before.
"Russia does not own Ukraine"
* Likewise the USA does not own South America.
Trump I and Russia agreed that Russia could do whatever it wanted with Ukraine and the USA could do whatever it wanted with Venezuela.
"None of those cities and countries are defenseless"
* Germany is defenseless. France and the United Kingdom each have 4 nuclear submarines that can retaliate with nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles, if they are not destroyed before.
@garlic_bread_rucola said ^
Another lie is that it matters if the missiles are "placed on the border" or where they are.
Missilies fly so fast that it doesn't matter at all if they're on the border of far away.
And in fact, you want missiles to be well protected, so literally the worst place you could possible put them would be on the border lol.
Ty to think a bit ok? If it's good to put missiles ON THE BORDER why are we not seeing either Russia or Ukraine rolling their missile firing equptment to the war zone? Why do Russia choose to fire their missiles when they bomb hospitals and power plants from deep inside Russia?
This very low wuality propaganda is meant to impress people who don't know ANY_THING about military stuff. But maybe if you don't know anything "missiles on the border" sounds scary so that's why they include it.
Actually this is untrue. The closer they are the less time to react. Especially with the new hypersonic weapons, which really do erase distance. U think distance does not matter? Well how long does it take to fire a conventional missile from America to Russia and from Ukr western border. Time and distance do matter.
@garlic_bread_rucola said [^](/forum/redirect/post/R2KzJ62b)
> Another lie is that it matters if the missiles are "placed on the border" or where they are.
>
> Missilies fly so fast that it doesn't matter at all if they're on the border of far away.
>
> And in fact, you want missiles to be well protected, so literally the worst place you could possible put them would be on the border lol.
>
> Ty to think a bit ok? If it's good to put missiles ON THE BORDER why are we not seeing either Russia or Ukraine rolling their missile firing equptment to the war zone? Why do Russia choose to fire their missiles when they bomb hospitals and power plants from deep inside Russia?
>
> This very low wuality propaganda is meant to impress people who don't know ANY_THING about military stuff. But maybe if you don't know anything "missiles on the border" sounds scary so that's why they include it.
Actually this is untrue. The closer they are the less time to react. Especially with the new hypersonic weapons, which really do erase distance. U think distance does not matter? Well how long does it take to fire a conventional missile from America to Russia and from Ukr western border. Time and distance do matter.
@tpr said ^
"NATO should have been disbanded when the Soviet Union was disbanded."
- NATO was a defensive alliance created out of fear of the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union then said themselves they could capture Gibraltar in two days.
Russia still has most nuclear weapons in the world.
Sweden and Finland joined NATO after years of neutrality, so now they fear more than before.
"Russia does not own Ukraine"
- Likewise the USA does not own South America.
Trump I and Russia agreed that Russia could do whatever it wanted with Ukraine and the USA could do whatever it wanted with Venezuela.
"None of those cities and countries are defenseless"
- Germany is defenseless. France and the United Kingdom each have 4 nuclear submarines that can retaliate with nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles, if they are not destroyed before.
NATO reason for existence ceased with the fall of the Soviet Union. Finland and the Baltic Chihuahuas are nuts. The constant war rhetoric of the EU, can be selffullfilling. Also with a big enemy u can start making weapons and money for the wealthy. But sadly if they were smart they would work with Russia, which would have been to their benefit. EU is not having children and being overrun with immigrants with totally different values. They are destroying themselves. A very sad reality.
Russia does not own Ukraine, well if u really believe that you should advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be. Now maybe I am wrong. Time will tell. But I would bet I am right.
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/rozcH7nG)
> "NATO should have been disbanded when the Soviet Union was disbanded."
> * NATO was a defensive alliance created out of fear of the Soviet Union.
> The Soviet Union then said themselves they could capture Gibraltar in two days.
> Russia still has most nuclear weapons in the world.
> Sweden and Finland joined NATO after years of neutrality, so now they fear more than before.
>
> "Russia does not own Ukraine"
> * Likewise the USA does not own South America.
> Trump I and Russia agreed that Russia could do whatever it wanted with Ukraine and the USA could do whatever it wanted with Venezuela.
>
> "None of those cities and countries are defenseless"
> * Germany is defenseless. France and the United Kingdom each have 4 nuclear submarines that can retaliate with nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles, if they are not destroyed before.
NATO reason for existence ceased with the fall of the Soviet Union. Finland and the Baltic Chihuahuas are nuts. The constant war rhetoric of the EU, can be selffullfilling. Also with a big enemy u can start making weapons and money for the wealthy. But sadly if they were smart they would work with Russia, which would have been to their benefit. EU is not having children and being overrun with immigrants with totally different values. They are destroying themselves. A very sad reality.
Russia does not own Ukraine, well if u really believe that you should advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be. Now maybe I am wrong. Time will tell. But I would bet I am right.
"advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be"
- Yes, cease fire and freeze the frontline, and negotiate.
In a war everybody loses.
"advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be"
* Yes, cease fire and freeze the frontline, and negotiate.
In a war everybody loses.
@tpr said ^
"advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be"
- Yes, cease fire and freeze the frontline, and negotiate.
In a war everybody loses.
Negotiations happened. russia clearly won’t keep their "promises" of stopping fire. It’s just a matter of time when they attack once again. The requirements for them to stop the war such as weakening Ukrainian army, removing bases from Donbas and stopping any type of financial or military help. I can keep bringing countless examples of similar cases where russia lied in a similar way.
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/AdNvaL20)
> "advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be"
> * Yes, cease fire and freeze the frontline, and negotiate.
> In a war everybody loses.
Negotiations happened. russia clearly won’t keep their "promises" of stopping fire. It’s just a matter of time when they attack once again. The requirements for them to stop the war such as weakening Ukrainian army, removing bases from Donbas and stopping any type of financial or military help. I can keep bringing countless examples of similar cases where russia lied in a similar way.
Russia does not own Ukraine, well if u really believe that you should advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be. Now maybe I am wrong. Time will tell. But I would bet I am right.
Nobody who supports Ukraine wants war. That doesn’t mean they’re willing to give up their country for peace.
> Russia does not own Ukraine, well if u really believe that you should advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be. Now maybe I am wrong. Time will tell. But I would bet I am right.
Nobody who supports Ukraine wants war. That doesn’t mean they’re willing to give up their country for peace.
"russia clearly won’t keep their promises"
- Mistrust is normal after a war. Some third party like the UN can guarantee a peace.
"weakening Ukrainian army, removing bases from Donbas and stopping any type of financial or military help."
- Russian demands are excessive indeed.
"willing to give up their country for peace"
- What is worse: giving up some terrain or sacrificing more Ukrainians?
"russia clearly won’t keep their promises"
* Mistrust is normal after a war. Some third party like the UN can guarantee a peace.
"weakening Ukrainian army, removing bases from Donbas and stopping any type of financial or military help."
* Russian demands are excessive indeed.
"willing to give up their country for peace"
* What is worse: giving up some terrain or sacrificing more Ukrainians?
@Voldstar said ^
Russia does not own Ukraine, well if u really believe that you should advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be. Now maybe I am wrong. Time will tell. But I would bet I am right.
Nobody who supports Ukraine wants war. That doesn’t mean they’re willing to give up their country for peace.
Absolutely u want war. Your just lying to yourself. Listen to the American and EU leaders. Angela Mertz let the cat out of the bag saying the Minsk peace accords were just about buying time to strengthen their hand. We are not living in a make believe world where everything is black and white, and the good guys wear white. Ukr can be realistic and realize they played a bad hand or keep playing and throwing good money after bad. And people like you will support them and one day u will realize u lost everything.
@Voldstar said [^](/forum/redirect/post/hgWKFDSt)
> > Russia does not own Ukraine, well if u really believe that you should advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be. Now maybe I am wrong. Time will tell. But I would bet I am right.
>
> Nobody who supports Ukraine wants war. That doesn’t mean they’re willing to give up their country for peace.
Absolutely u want war. Your just lying to yourself. Listen to the American and EU leaders. Angela Mertz let the cat out of the bag saying the Minsk peace accords were just about buying time to strengthen their hand. We are not living in a make believe world where everything is black and white, and the good guys wear white. Ukr can be realistic and realize they played a bad hand or keep playing and throwing good money after bad. And people like you will support them and one day u will realize u lost everything.
@tpr said ^
"advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be"
- Yes, cease fire and freeze the frontline, and negotiate.
In a war everybody loses.
Another ridiculous cliche. Wars are fought for a number of reasons. Often one side is a clear winner, with real gains sometimes not, more of stalemate.
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/AdNvaL20)
> "advocate for peace, because the longer this war goes on the less Ukraine there will be"
> * Yes, cease fire and freeze the frontline, and negotiate.
> In a war everybody loses.
Another ridiculous cliche. Wars are fought for a number of reasons. Often one side is a clear winner, with real gains sometimes not, more of stalemate.