Palestine or Israel.

@Sowhatifeatit said in #30:

40000 isn't genocide
ICJ judges (whose job it is to enforce international laws) and Amnesty International disagree, among others. But of course you know better.
it comes from a terrorist organization that hates Israel
"it"? You mean the bombs that killed and maimed tens of thousands of women and children? I am pretty sure they came from Israel.

What Hamas did on 6th of October is horrible and unjustifiable but since then Israel did more than 40 times more innocent victims.

This is a collective punishment of everyone living in Gaza for the acts of Hamas terrorists (and let us remind that most people living in Gaza are ALSO victims of Hamas).

Saying the attacks from 6th of October justify this is equally absurd, immoral and uncompassionate as saying the 6th of October attacks were justified by previous treatment of the Palestinians by Israel.

@Sowhatifeatit said in #30:

40000 isn't genocide
It's not so much about the number, but about the nature of what is being done and the intention/why that determines whether something is genocide or not.

this is worth linking to the actual law & charta & convention rather than simply dropping it on a side note

@ed01106 said in #20:

The Palestinians don't want peace they want the complete genocide of the Jews. The Israelis have made multiple offers for peaceful coexistence each time it has been rejected.

Israel must eliminate Hamas. And as long as Hamas continues to use civilians as sandbags innocent lives will be lost.

If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could kill ever living being in Gaza in a matter of weeks, but they have chosen not to.

It is an interesting dynamic one side wants to commit genocide but is incapable. The other side has the weapons commit genocide but has chosen not to.

Well written. Communicates the issue succinctly and truthfully.

@ed01106 said in #20:

The Palestinians don't want peace they want the complete genocide of the Jews.
"The Palestinians" really? Every single Palestinian wants to murder all the Jews? Well, that's both a false and racist statement, you see.
The Israelis have made multiple offers for peaceful coexistence each time it has been rejected.
Absurd. Israel has always undermined every peace process, including the recent ceasefire talks.
Israel must eliminate Hamas. And as long as Hamas continues to use civilians as sandbags innocent lives will be lost.
That's the very logic that leads ro more violences. For decades, Israel army and settlers kept killing innocent Palestinians. It has recently emerged that IDF soldiers do in fact use Palestinian civilians as human shields. Thus, according to your logic, the Israel state would have to be eliminated.
If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could kill ever living being in Gaza in a matter of weeks,
Just because you have a strong military doesn't mean you actually can kill everyone in a matter of weeks. And even if that was the case, they wouldn't do it, because they don't want to become a pariah state.
but they have chosen not to.
Ah? And what exactly are they doing then? What's the purpose of bombing civilians and blocking food, water, and aid supplies? You think people can survive without food, water, and basic healthcare?
It is an interesting dynamic one side wants to commit genocide but is incapable. The other side has the weapons commit genocide but has chosen not to.
You live in a fantasy world.

@ganjamojo said in #34:

Well written. Communicates the issue succinctly and truthfully.
thats crazy. PAce offer for Palestinian? please inform more about the argument. Free palestine!

40000 would indeed be genocide, but thekre are many many more by this time. well over 200k.

Are we supposed to talk about this on Lichess?

@EricNotFound said in #38:

Are we supposed to talk about this on Lichess?

No. The correct way to communicate about the issue is less talking and more raving like lunatics.

we shouldnt talk of taking sides...
We should talk about peace and considering BOTH sides.