If an American player said they supported the US decision to bomb Iran, would they be suspended?

@stockwellpete said in #90:

You sound like you have given up. You have a basic choice. Zionism or Socialism. There are plenty of Jewish socialists active in the USA, in Bundist-type organisations, or in the Democratic Socialists Of America. Some may be in the smaller revolutionary groups. It is just a question of connecting up with them.
Dont tell me what my choices are, you haven't lived my experience, nor do you even seem to be Jewish.

I haven't given up, I learned jeet kune do and respond with force in the face of anti semitism now. Nazis need to fear us again. I have however given up trying to accommodate peoples bigotry

@greatJaromie said in #91:

Dont tell me what my choices are, you haven't lived my experience, nor do you even seem to be Jewish.

No, I am not. Apparently I am a fascist, or a Trotskyist, or even a supporter of clerics in Iran. Who knows what stupidity will be directed at me next?

@lonelypeanut said in #71:

The "arabs in Israel are doing better than elsewhere" argument is also incredible because the main reason for lowered life expectancy in arab countries are the wars and machinations of the US/Israel (and Britain...).
No it's not - that doesn't explain at all why the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Saudi Arabia, etc. have lower life expectancy too.

We've made America Bomb and War again :(

Hopefully Trump doesn't remember what Uncle Sam did during the 20th century. AHEM. No ideas please.

@AyaanshGaur12 said in #94:
Love how there's so much more focus on how terrible the US is cause they ended the worst war ever using nukes (and thus preventing any other future first use which may have been way more catastrophic due to their increasing power)

Vs focus on who they used it on and ended the war with... aka the Japanese empire that attacked unprovoked, killed hundreds of thousands in some of the most brutal disgusting human experimentation ever, hundreds of thousands in Nanjing along through brutal rapes & torture, countless millions in China and across the pacific.

@stockwellpete said in #50:

Zionists, not Jews.

Lol what is a Zionist and who lives in Israel? Antisemites love playing word games.

@stockwellpete said in #51:

This is my last reply to you because I believe you to be a racist.

And I believe you to be a supporter of terrorism, genocide, and antisemitism.

You need to read a history book. The Balfour Declaration, which promised Jews a homeland in Palestine, happened in 1917 and Zionist colonisation began under the British Mandate in Palestine in the inter-war period.

The refugee Jews who immigrated to the territory of Palestine within the Ottoman Empire did so to escape extermination. Some had hopes of establishing Jewish sovereignty, but they mostly did this through legal means, including land purchases and immigration.

The Palestinians rose up in a Great Revolt over this colonisation between 1936 and 1939. The Holocaust did not happen until the 1940s.

They were antisemitic xenophobes who engaged in violence against Jewish refugees. There were pogroms where thousands of Jews were killed prior to the Holocaust.

Obviously it was a colonial project of the British at first, to create a "Jewish Ulster" in Palestine in the words of Ronald Storrs, the British governor of Jerusalem (1917-26).

That may have been the British intention. Do you think it was the intention of Jewish refugees escaping extermination to colonize the territory of Palestine on behalf of the British? Or maybe they were trying to not be exterminated and the British were simply trying to exploit the situation. The Jews fought the British off to establish their own independence.

Later, as British power began to fade after WW2, the Americans took over. Today, Israel is the forward operating base of the American Empire in the region - and it could not behave as it does without American subsidies.

Lmao, this is bullshit. The Americans didn't take over. The Americans didn't help Israel at all during the 1948 War. The Jews had to defend themselves. Eventually, the Jews and Americans became allies out of shared interests.

Yup, Israel, like many smaller and weaker liberal nations, live under the American military apparatus in a mutually beneficial relationship. That's called forming strategic military alliances. But only antisemites accuse the Jews of not being a people with self-interest and simply a pawn of someone else (like the British or Americans) for pursuing their self-interest and survival.

Hamas Charter 2017 (revised)

14. The Zionist project is a racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others; it is hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. The Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base of aggression.

15. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

16. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

@Jackypaper824 said in #54:

So that's the measuring stick? I'm an American but are you under the impression that this country has never committed atrocities or crimes against humanity? Is bombing nuclear sites a violation of the Geneva convention?

I'm not convinced that bombing a terrorist regime's nuclear sites with 60% enriched uranium to prevent them from have the materials to build a nuclear weapon is an atrocity or crime against humanity. If it is considered to be those things or a violation of the Geneva convention, then I think those are flawed criteria for those concepts.

If the only way to not violate the Geneva convention is to let a terrorist regime like Iran continue to enrich uranium to the point where producing a nuclear weapon is trivial, then the Geneva convention is flawed.

@stockwellpete said in #98:

Hamas Charter 2017 (revised)

14. The Zionist project is a racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others; it is hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. The Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base of aggression.

15. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

16. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

Is this Hamas/terrorist apologia?