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@emms122 said in #50:
> @IrwinCaladinResearch Agreeing with what he said, i am a victim of this, i haven't used engine assistance in any of my games, and my recent games have all been rapid games(TC of 10+ mins), just woke up and saw my account banned and i have been accused of using illegal assistance, but yet i have been on a loosing streak of more than 10 games, so i'm sincerely confused, if i cheated why should i be loosing? i didn't purposely lose, and yet i haven't been winning as well, so i'm really confused, is this ban a result of punishment from when i opened my account newly which was about 2 years ago, why is it coming now? i haven't cheated so far, so i'm really lost here, glad for this post, because i know of people who have cheated recently or over time and yet they haven't been banned so why is it me? like he said, maybe i'm just part of the false positives and that's really not far, of course it's going to be hard to build an ML system with 100% precision, recall, accuracy, but lichess should really look into it.
You should probably have a look here. ;)
lichess.org/appeal
> @IrwinCaladinResearch Agreeing with what he said, i am a victim of this, i haven't used engine assistance in any of my games, and my recent games have all been rapid games(TC of 10+ mins), just woke up and saw my account banned and i have been accused of using illegal assistance, but yet i have been on a loosing streak of more than 10 games, so i'm sincerely confused, if i cheated why should i be loosing? i didn't purposely lose, and yet i haven't been winning as well, so i'm really confused, is this ban a result of punishment from when i opened my account newly which was about 2 years ago, why is it coming now? i haven't cheated so far, so i'm really lost here, glad for this post, because i know of people who have cheated recently or over time and yet they haven't been banned so why is it me? like he said, maybe i'm just part of the false positives and that's really not far, of course it's going to be hard to build an ML system with 100% precision, recall, accuracy, but lichess should really look into it.
You should probably have a look here. ;)
lichess.org/appeal
@Molurus this is what lichess said:
Your appeal has been denied, and the mark on the account will remain.
After carefully reviewing your case, we regret to inform you that the moderation team will not change the decision and will keep the original engine/external assistance flag on your account.
Our fair play policy is supported by robust detection methods and data. All appeals are handled by a team of experienced moderators who take the time to identify, consider, and discuss all relevant evidence before reaching a decision. Each appeal is decided on its own merits and no decision is made lightly.
To protect the integrity of our methods and processes, we cannot engage in any further discussion about the decision, which is final. Our rights regarding appeals are set out in our Terms of Service.
Please FOR GOD'S SAKE THERE'S NO PROOF TO SHOW I CHEATED!!!! AND I CAN'T EVEN APPEAL MY CASE, THIS IS VERY VERY ANNOYING!!!!
Your appeal has been denied, and the mark on the account will remain.
After carefully reviewing your case, we regret to inform you that the moderation team will not change the decision and will keep the original engine/external assistance flag on your account.
Our fair play policy is supported by robust detection methods and data. All appeals are handled by a team of experienced moderators who take the time to identify, consider, and discuss all relevant evidence before reaching a decision. Each appeal is decided on its own merits and no decision is made lightly.
To protect the integrity of our methods and processes, we cannot engage in any further discussion about the decision, which is final. Our rights regarding appeals are set out in our Terms of Service.
Please FOR GOD'S SAKE THERE'S NO PROOF TO SHOW I CHEATED!!!! AND I CAN'T EVEN APPEAL MY CASE, THIS IS VERY VERY ANNOYING!!!!
@Cedur216 U are a moderator or u know moderators, can you please go through my games and show any proof or indication that i cheated? anyone please do that
@emms122 said in #53:
> @Molurus this is what lichess said:
> Your appeal has been denied, and the mark on the account will remain.
>
> After carefully reviewing your case, we regret to inform you that the moderation team will not change the decision and will keep the original engine/external assistance flag on your account.
>
> Our fair play policy is supported by robust detection methods and data. All appeals are handled by a team of experienced moderators who take the time to identify, consider, and discuss all relevant evidence before reaching a decision. Each appeal is decided on its own merits and no decision is made lightly.
>
> To protect the integrity of our methods and processes, we cannot engage in any further discussion about the decision, which is final. Our rights regarding appeals are set out in our Terms of Service.
> Please FOR GOD'S SAKE THERE'S NO PROOF TO SHOW I CHEATED!!!! AND I CAN'T EVEN APPEAL MY CASE, THIS IS VERY VERY ANNOYING!!!!
Then they are probably completely convinced they are correct. And honestly.. I have no reason to think they're wrong.
Please keep in mind that:
1) they have no obligation to provide you with proof or indeed any reason to ban you.
2) bans are never discussed in public.
This is basically end of the road.
> @Molurus this is what lichess said:
> Your appeal has been denied, and the mark on the account will remain.
>
> After carefully reviewing your case, we regret to inform you that the moderation team will not change the decision and will keep the original engine/external assistance flag on your account.
>
> Our fair play policy is supported by robust detection methods and data. All appeals are handled by a team of experienced moderators who take the time to identify, consider, and discuss all relevant evidence before reaching a decision. Each appeal is decided on its own merits and no decision is made lightly.
>
> To protect the integrity of our methods and processes, we cannot engage in any further discussion about the decision, which is final. Our rights regarding appeals are set out in our Terms of Service.
> Please FOR GOD'S SAKE THERE'S NO PROOF TO SHOW I CHEATED!!!! AND I CAN'T EVEN APPEAL MY CASE, THIS IS VERY VERY ANNOYING!!!!
Then they are probably completely convinced they are correct. And honestly.. I have no reason to think they're wrong.
Please keep in mind that:
1) they have no obligation to provide you with proof or indeed any reason to ban you.
2) bans are never discussed in public.
This is basically end of the road.
@emms122
bruh. I'm not, I'm just an attentive user who gains and expresses public knowledge.
Your games don't matter to us. The response says the same, use the appeal. Also read my blog on my profile if you like.
bruh. I'm not, I'm just an attentive user who gains and expresses public knowledge.
Your games don't matter to us. The response says the same, use the appeal. Also read my blog on my profile if you like.
Just noticed the appeal response. Did they change the standard denial message?
@DERG_CHESS said in #46:
> Well, u haven't proved there being some neither, have u?
I don't know that I have to prove that there are any. Besides, I don't have to prove it anymore, since it's already been proven that there are false positives. By Lichess itself. You just have to watch the video I posted in #33. Since you speak German, that shouldn't be a problem.
> Well, u haven't proved there being some neither, have u?
I don't know that I have to prove that there are any. Besides, I don't have to prove it anymore, since it's already been proven that there are false positives. By Lichess itself. You just have to watch the video I posted in #33. Since you speak German, that shouldn't be a problem.
@emms122 said in #53:
> @Molurus this is what lichess said:
> Your appeal has been denied, and the mark on the account will remain.
>
> After carefully reviewing your case, we regret to inform you that the moderation team will not change the decision and will keep the original engine/external assistance flag on your account.
>
> Our fair play policy is supported by robust detection methods and data. All appeals are handled by a team of experienced moderators who take the time to identify, consider, and discuss all relevant evidence before reaching a decision. Each appeal is decided on its own merits and no decision is made lightly.
>
> To protect the integrity of our methods and processes, we cannot engage in any further discussion about the decision, which is final. Our rights regarding appeals are set out in our Terms of Service.
> Please FOR GOD'S SAKE THERE'S NO PROOF TO SHOW I CHEATED!!!! AND I CAN'T EVEN APPEAL MY CASE, THIS IS VERY VERY ANNOYING!!!!
I fully agree with you. The policy that Lichess has against alleged cheaters is outrageous. I also strongly denounced this in the blog thread of Cedur216.
> @Molurus this is what lichess said:
> Your appeal has been denied, and the mark on the account will remain.
>
> After carefully reviewing your case, we regret to inform you that the moderation team will not change the decision and will keep the original engine/external assistance flag on your account.
>
> Our fair play policy is supported by robust detection methods and data. All appeals are handled by a team of experienced moderators who take the time to identify, consider, and discuss all relevant evidence before reaching a decision. Each appeal is decided on its own merits and no decision is made lightly.
>
> To protect the integrity of our methods and processes, we cannot engage in any further discussion about the decision, which is final. Our rights regarding appeals are set out in our Terms of Service.
> Please FOR GOD'S SAKE THERE'S NO PROOF TO SHOW I CHEATED!!!! AND I CAN'T EVEN APPEAL MY CASE, THIS IS VERY VERY ANNOYING!!!!
I fully agree with you. The policy that Lichess has against alleged cheaters is outrageous. I also strongly denounced this in the blog thread of Cedur216.
Intriguing post, am interested in the discussions. For those of you who are sidetracking the discussion, please stop.
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