@Khallyx said in #105:
> "Anonymous female player"'s opinions are kind of an odd choice for an article. Either source them or leave them out; unsourced quotes have no place in serious articles in a situation where there are zero repercussions.
> Having that said, they absolutely have a point.
You say this is "a situation where there are zero repercussions", but that's exactly the thing; women frequently face repercussions for so much as speaking out against societal and corporate misogyny. Women are denied opportunities to do things they want to do by organizations and even businesses which don't want to be associated with their "drama"; as aforementioned misogynistic organizations and businesses selfishly word it, to avoid facing up to their embedded and internalized misogyny in any way shape or form.
The anonymous female players do indeed absolutely have valid points. They also have every right to their anonymity, and using that right is a perfectly reasonable choice on each of their parts. Lichess did good by granting them a chance for their voices to be heard while allowing them to retain the very real protection of anonymity.
Well written with citation. No one is against reconstructive surgery for anyone who has suffered from disease or injuries. The fact that will be the only thing mentioned in defense of this, and you know that's exactly how their PR will spin it, is disgusting. Taking out the details of the company itself you'd have to think they would have known the optics of this are atrocious. I do love Lichess for allowing women to speak up both publicly and anonymously on the article as they need to be heard as opposed to lectured to and spoken of. This is exactly why I will always financially support Lichess and other non profits. They do not answer to shareholders, PR firms, CEOs, advertisers, or any other non chess related entity and this is exactly what allows them to freely discuss issues such as these without fear of retaliation to their bottom line. I do hope FIDE picks up more sponsorships with better optics. Why they feel the need to segregate women I've never understood, and I've never liked the W added to titles. If they're a Master just call them a Master. I may be ignorant of a legitimate reason and I'm sure someone will correct me if that's the case but I've always viewed adding the W as condescending. In my mind it's like them saying, "Oh she's not a real GM, she's a WGM."
Breaking news! FIDE has just announced today that the International Master title no longer exists. From now on all International Masters will be renamed to be CGM's - candidate Grand Masters. This is to create consistency across the titles; if other titles like CM and WGM can exist then the CGM is the progression.
/S for anyone who took the above as serious beyond satire.
Meanwhile FIDE which was close to irrelevant, has slid into Alice in Wonderland/On Being John Malcovich/ koo koo crazy for coc pops territory by getting a mammary gland implants sponsor. Only Nigel Short is impressed. He thinks that a boing boing sponsor would be just as good for the men's chess events.
When I mention Nigel the Short in my satire, you KNOW it's a bad bad idea.
I'm sure the lichess article authors have journalistic integrity and so I believe these opinions were shared by real people. As a dude, it's hard for me to grasp that so many of these things happen to women in chess but it's the reality of things.
I just want to know if FIDE really thought the conversation would end at "Events in women's chess are getting more funds and so everyone will be happy".
Their response is honestly worthless, and given the terrifying experiences that many women have had in various chess events and partnership with a company like this - with their cause & services provided - would just worsen the bias towards women in chess. Can FIDE do something legitimately helpful & transparent to deal with the stigma women in chess face?? smhh
I expect (or rather hope) FIDE to set clear boundaries of this partnership and not promote breast implants for women freely, but given that the main service provided by Motiva are breast implants, it's kind of hard to imagine this would be the case
Embarrasing, we need more Polgar girls.
Faux-pas extraordinaire, by FIDE. I hope they’ll reconsider.
Keeping the possibilities for personal choice aside for a moment, this is one of those rare instances where the proverb, something is better than nothing, actually falls flat.
This move by FIDE seems counterproductive because it doesn't seem like a well-thought out decision and so the shady sponsorship might contribute to the downfall of Chess in the long run, creating a breeding ground for unnecessary drama.
It's as though they seek these kind of partners. Slightly surprised better sponsors haven't come up yet.
@GrandLapin said in #93:
> There are no proper grounds for chess to be segregated by gender anyways
THANK YOU -- I think this is by far the most cogent remark I have seen!
While I can understand that gender separate clubs and tourneys may serve a
purpose with youngsters, there is no need for separation in 'Chess proper'.
(I wonder how many of those that found my 'tongue in cheek' meta-analysis
were able to reach your well-grounded conclusion)
yes
hahaha, how would judit polgar react to this???
