@Sarg0n Actually a few days ago I noticed such a game between cheaters and made up an analysis. One had several mistakes plus inaccuracies, one played zerozerozero. I felt sorry for the one who obviously either not or at least less cheated in that particular game. It has been a comedy and tragic at the same time. I mean, what could the one who lost to a cheater do against this cheater, if both players are already flagged as cheaters? Absurd situation, I did not know what to do (normally it's a pleasure to report cheaters).
Great idea.
Well I don't know how lichess catches cheaters but I have another idea to add on to this. You could always make human like chess engine personalities to play against the suspected cheater in order to make sure that person is a cheater BEFORE the person is said to be a cheater. So basically you have a pool of human like chess engine personalities that are always playing behind the scenes on lichess. It would be especially useful in putting human like chess engine personalities into tournaments.
The downside i can see with this is that you need a strong engine to determine if somebody is really cheating or not. I'm not sure if really good cheaters make mistakes on purpose during games. If so then a weaker chess engine personality would not be able to confirm that somebody is a cheater. I would think that a person that is really good at cheating will make mistakes on purpose during the game.
Another thought I have. Is having reliability cheating ratings similar to FIDE online arena a good idea? I'm not sure how their system works for cheating but it would be interesting to have reliability ratings here on lichess. Here is how it would work: your realibility rating increases the more games you have played that you haven't been suspected of using an engine. Once lichess is uncertain if somebody is a cheater or not their realiability rating would go down. To decrease this uncertainty the lichess will more or less try to pair the cheater with mostly chess engine human like personalities to see how well they do in games.
Cheating is something that should be taken very seriously and I don't know if lichess does enough for it. Not sure how many programmers would be interested in programming a bunch of human like chess engine personalities.
The downside i can see with this is that you need a strong engine to determine if somebody is really cheating or not. I'm not sure if really good cheaters make mistakes on purpose during games. If so then a weaker chess engine personality would not be able to confirm that somebody is a cheater. I would think that a person that is really good at cheating will make mistakes on purpose during the game.
Another thought I have. Is having reliability cheating ratings similar to FIDE online arena a good idea? I'm not sure how their system works for cheating but it would be interesting to have reliability ratings here on lichess. Here is how it would work: your realibility rating increases the more games you have played that you haven't been suspected of using an engine. Once lichess is uncertain if somebody is a cheater or not their realiability rating would go down. To decrease this uncertainty the lichess will more or less try to pair the cheater with mostly chess engine human like personalities to see how well they do in games.
Cheating is something that should be taken very seriously and I don't know if lichess does enough for it. Not sure how many programmers would be interested in programming a bunch of human like chess engine personalities.
@besickenadam
Flagging is not even the most common way that a game ends on lichess. We have precise numbers. Resigns and mate are both more common.
Please don't make things up and then say "it is well known,"
Flagging is not even the most common way that a game ends on lichess. We have precise numbers. Resigns and mate are both more common.
Please don't make things up and then say "it is well known,"
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Generally when someone says "it is well known" they mean, I just made this up.
Generally when someone says "it is well known" they mean, I just made this up.
How does cheating even get detected on lichess.org/?
Well, I think they're using some highly sophisticated statistics with all the meta data they have collected:
http://imgur.com/a/dKlHs
Btw, something comparable from chess.com, I think it's done similar there:
www.chess.com/article/view/chess-com-fair-play-and-cheat-detection
http://imgur.com/a/dKlHs
Btw, something comparable from chess.com, I think it's done similar there:
www.chess.com/article/view/chess-com-fair-play-and-cheat-detection
@GoodChessMind
I've thought about that as well.
I sometimes notice that my opponent plays a few crappy moves and suddenly gets much more precise.
I'm worried about this because I've seen a google chrome plug-in that points out moves.
@Sarg0n
Are you allowed to tell us more about how lichess detects cheaters? Or is that classified?
Thanks
I've thought about that as well.
I sometimes notice that my opponent plays a few crappy moves and suddenly gets much more precise.
I'm worried about this because I've seen a google chrome plug-in that points out moves.
@Sarg0n
Are you allowed to tell us more about how lichess detects cheaters? Or is that classified?
Thanks
Well, I am allowed to tell educated guesses obviously. ;)
For obvious reasons we prefer not to discuss cheat detection too specifically.
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