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Slav Defence with 3.e3

#3

I don 't understand the point of this post. It really has almost nothing to do with 3.e3 against the Slav. On 3...Bf5, 4.Qb3 is really White's only hope for an edge. On 3...Nf6 I intend to blaze new ground by playing 4.b3?!

I don 't understand the point of this post. It really has almost nothing to do with 3.e3 against the Slav. On 3...Bf5, 4.Qb3 is really White's only hope for an edge. On 3...Nf6 I intend to blaze new ground by playing 4.b3?!
#4

@makingtheory said in #3:

I don 't understand the point of this post. It really has almost nothing to do with 3.e3 against the Slav.

The point of the post is to demonstrate why e3 is not a great move, on the basis of looking at the ideas behind book moves. They are showing why e3 is not great on the basis of the fact of the ideas behind the book moves.

  1. This stops opening surprises as you know why e3 is not great on the basis of the opening ideas, 2. e3 serves as a foil to show the ideas of the book moves and to understand the opening.

It's an excellent blog.

Intro from blog: "Examining every possible deviation from the first three moves is an excellent way for club players to approach a new opening. You will not only develop an understanding of the ideas behind the opening, but you will also avoid and early opening surprises. If you're prepared for any possible deviation in the first five moves, you will save time and energy, build confidence, and avoid early mistakes."

@makingtheory said in #3: > I don 't understand the point of this post. It really has almost nothing to do with 3.e3 against the Slav. The point of the post is to demonstrate why e3 is not a great move, on the basis of looking at the ideas behind book moves. They are showing why e3 is not great on the basis of the fact of the ideas behind the book moves. 1. This stops opening surprises as you know why e3 is not great on the basis of the opening ideas, 2. e3 serves as a foil to show the ideas of the book moves and to understand the opening. It's an excellent blog. >Intro from blog: "Examining every possible deviation from the first three moves is an excellent way for club players to approach a new opening. You will not only develop an understanding of the ideas behind the opening, but you will also avoid and early opening surprises. If you're prepared for any possible deviation in the first five moves, you will save time and energy, build confidence, and avoid early mistakes."
#5

Then explain why 1.d4 d5 2.e3 is sound AND aggressive?

Then explain why 1.d4 d5 2.e3 is sound AND aggressive?
#6

Also explain to me why the semi-Slav, with it's ...e6, is perfectly fine. Yours and the author's arguments do not hold water.

Also explain to me why the semi-Slav, with it's ...e6, is perfectly fine. Yours and the author's arguments do not hold water.
#7

@makingtheory said in #6:

Also explain to me why the semi-Slav, with it's ...e6, is perfectly fine.

e3 is not a blunder, not even a mistake even. However it is not the most enterprising way of handing the Slav. That's why it's only played 3% of the time in the Master's database.

From the Blog: "It's dismissed by theory - not because it's bad, but more on principle."

No one is saying that it's a 'mistake'.

the author's arguments do not hold water.

Which of the author's arguments do you think does not hold water?

@makingtheory said in #3: I don 't understand the point of this post. It really has almost nothing to do with 3.e3 against the Slav.

You didn't understand because you couldn't be bothered to read the intro, it's explained clearly:

Intro from blog: "Examining every possible deviation from the first three moves is an excellent way for club players to approach a new opening. You will not only develop an understanding of the ideas behind the opening, but you will also avoid and early opening surprises. If you're prepared for any possible deviation in the first five moves, you will save time and energy, build confidence, and avoid early mistakes."

@makingtheory said in #6: > Also explain to me why the semi-Slav, with it's ...e6, is perfectly fine. e3 is not a blunder, not even a mistake even. However it is not the most enterprising way of handing the Slav. That's why it's only played 3% of the time in the Master's database. From the Blog: "It's dismissed by theory - not because it's bad, but more on principle." No one is saying that it's a 'mistake'. >the author's arguments do not hold water. Which of the author's arguments do you think does not hold water? >@makingtheory said in #3: I don 't understand the point of this post. It really has almost nothing to do with 3.e3 against the Slav. You didn't understand because you couldn't be bothered to read the intro, it's explained clearly: >Intro from blog: "Examining every possible deviation from the first three moves is an excellent way for club players to approach a new opening. You will not only develop an understanding of the ideas behind the opening, but you will also avoid and early opening surprises. If you're prepared for any possible deviation in the first five moves, you will save time and energy, build confidence, and avoid early mistakes."
#8

@makingtheory said in #5:

Then explain why 1.d4 d5 2.e3 is sound AND aggressive?

No, I'm not going to explain that. If you want to play that line, by all means do so.

I'm not trying to prove anything here. All I do is expressing my personal views based on my own experiences. If you don't agree with them, that's perfectly fine. Please don't try to make this an "I'm right and you're wrong" debate. I'm not playing that game.

@makingtheory said in #5: > Then explain why 1.d4 d5 2.e3 is sound AND aggressive? No, I'm not going to explain that. If you want to play that line, by all means do so. I'm not trying to prove anything here. All I do is expressing my personal views based on my own experiences. If you don't agree with them, that's perfectly fine. Please don't try to make this an "I'm right and you're wrong" debate. I'm not playing that game.
#9

Ah, so you're one of those who posts an opinion, and then shuts down further discussion. Nice.

Ah, so you're one of those who posts an opinion, and then shuts down further discussion. Nice.
#10

Lifelong Slav player here. Problem with 3.e3 in general is it just commits white too early, even though it’s not an awful move. Best case scenario for white if played tamely is they’ve just reduced their own options giving black more comfortable setups, (as black you already know some of whites more aggressive options are cut out) but it can also just be downright bad if White tries to make it independent eg:

1.d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bd3?! e5! And black is already doing ok, and after 5.dxe5 ?! dxc4 Black is even already a bit better.

The main danger for black if you can even call it that, is that he sees a move like 3.e3 and doesn’t take it seriously enough, there are a few very offbeat lines that still need care eg 3.e3 Bf5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 which is almost never played but actually has some point to it.

Lifelong Slav player here. Problem with 3.e3 in general is it just commits white too early, even though it’s not an awful move. Best case scenario for white if played tamely is they’ve just reduced their own options giving black more comfortable setups, (as black you already know some of whites more aggressive options are cut out) but it can also just be downright bad if White tries to make it independent eg: 1.d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bd3?! e5! And black is already doing ok, and after 5.dxe5 ?! dxc4 Black is even already a bit better. The main danger for black if you can even call it that, is that he sees a move like 3.e3 and doesn’t take it seriously enough, there are a few very offbeat lines that still need care eg 3.e3 Bf5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 which is almost never played but actually has some point to it.