What is this topic for, I can't understand? Why are you repeating a thing which (almost) everybody knows, just to get some replies lol.
I mean, what is the importance of this topic?
I mean, what is the importance of this topic?
You try playing 100 unrated online games. You will realize how healthy the ratings are. Trust me.
@SwApNeEl1 said in #11:
> What is this topic for, I can't understand? Why are you repeating a thing which (almost) everybody knows, just to get some replies lol.
Try saying that for china/japan/korea students, lol
No I do not think, it is obvious, I never heard anybody and anyone talking about it, other than some youtuber.
And because I have issues like this, I decided to say it
> What is this topic for, I can't understand? Why are you repeating a thing which (almost) everybody knows, just to get some replies lol.
Try saying that for china/japan/korea students, lol
No I do not think, it is obvious, I never heard anybody and anyone talking about it, other than some youtuber.
And because I have issues like this, I decided to say it
I don't think it's true. For me competitions are formative, things to improve my chess and social interactions. I can condivide interests with people that have common passions with me and find new friends. Well, there is the competitive instinct too, but I think that it helps us. If it doesn't become a bad thing it will help us to play better. The important is to be kind and play as better as we can. This is my opinion :)
There is a @xDoubledragon said in #1:
> nearly all people what focus on ranking are never satisfied
There is a distinct difference between focusing on ranking and focusing on competition. You can be competitive, analyzing every single game and learning theory, as long as you focus on something that is directly under your control.
You can strive to study and play for one hour daily, learn opening theory every month, and watch professional games because that is within your control. But winning is not. That's why people who focus on rank are often miserable. No matter how much effort you put in, there will always be someone who might put in even more, leading to dissatisfaction.
> nearly all people what focus on ranking are never satisfied
There is a distinct difference between focusing on ranking and focusing on competition. You can be competitive, analyzing every single game and learning theory, as long as you focus on something that is directly under your control.
You can strive to study and play for one hour daily, learn opening theory every month, and watch professional games because that is within your control. But winning is not. That's why people who focus on rank are often miserable. No matter how much effort you put in, there will always be someone who might put in even more, leading to dissatisfaction.
@greenteakitten said in #9:
> Of course there is the whole issue then of attaching rating to personal worth. If that is the problem, play casual and try Zen Mode - I use both when I'm on too terrible of a losing streak to risk further tilt.
So chess isn't a measure of my personal worth, but it is a mild vanity point for me. One reason I like having Zen mode DISABLED is so I can see my rating...
Contradictory to my earlier statement that I don't care about rating, I still find it it motivating to see my rating, in order to make sure I "never" fall below 2100 for example.
I will often end a series of games once I reach 2200... Or at least tell myself I'll stop playing. Usually, I keep playing until I'm below 2200 again haha but NEVER below 2100.
Zen mode would take that "fun" away from me.
> Of course there is the whole issue then of attaching rating to personal worth. If that is the problem, play casual and try Zen Mode - I use both when I'm on too terrible of a losing streak to risk further tilt.
So chess isn't a measure of my personal worth, but it is a mild vanity point for me. One reason I like having Zen mode DISABLED is so I can see my rating...
Contradictory to my earlier statement that I don't care about rating, I still find it it motivating to see my rating, in order to make sure I "never" fall below 2100 for example.
I will often end a series of games once I reach 2200... Or at least tell myself I'll stop playing. Usually, I keep playing until I'm below 2200 again haha but NEVER below 2100.
Zen mode would take that "fun" away from me.
Competition is inherently a wild thing. it's when at least two people fight or compete to obtain a privilege (win). That's a part of the animal kingdom and nature. In the animal kingdom, everything is a competition. Humans have transcended the vital needs of competition to make them the prerogative of the ego, success and personal achievement. in short, a thing which is called talent.
Our only consolation would be to make the competition better and above all to make the chances equal to all. So, in this case, the word competition would take on a more philosophical meaning, based on the basis of equality and no longer on that of the victorious Hercules.
Honesltly, Competition also allows a lot of good things, and the notion of competition reinforces the challenge and allows competitors to progress.
And the notion of competition varies from person to person, and above all, you do it for your ego.
Individually, my only goal has been to try to get out of the infernal spiral of “win or progress” and to simply enjoy the current moment without worrying about where I will end up. my goal is to play and see who can defeat me. And getting beaten in such game by someone makes me happy because, I made someone happy.
Our only consolation would be to make the competition better and above all to make the chances equal to all. So, in this case, the word competition would take on a more philosophical meaning, based on the basis of equality and no longer on that of the victorious Hercules.
Honesltly, Competition also allows a lot of good things, and the notion of competition reinforces the challenge and allows competitors to progress.
And the notion of competition varies from person to person, and above all, you do it for your ego.
Individually, my only goal has been to try to get out of the infernal spiral of “win or progress” and to simply enjoy the current moment without worrying about where I will end up. my goal is to play and see who can defeat me. And getting beaten in such game by someone makes me happy because, I made someone happy.
@thefrickouttaherelol said in #16:
> So chess isn't a measure of my personal worth, but it is a mild vanity point for me. One reason I like having Zen mode DISABLED is so I can see my rating...
Actually you don't need to have Zen mode disabled to see your rating.
I use Zen mode for bullet because it lets me relax a bit more and play more for fun, instead of for winning. After every game, win or lose, Lichess shows me my current rating, what amount of rating I won or lost, etc.
Basically I get to see everything after the game, and I only have Zen mode on in-game.
This is a setting that you could use if you wanted to compromise on Zen mode :)
> So chess isn't a measure of my personal worth, but it is a mild vanity point for me. One reason I like having Zen mode DISABLED is so I can see my rating...
Actually you don't need to have Zen mode disabled to see your rating.
I use Zen mode for bullet because it lets me relax a bit more and play more for fun, instead of for winning. After every game, win or lose, Lichess shows me my current rating, what amount of rating I won or lost, etc.
Basically I get to see everything after the game, and I only have Zen mode on in-game.
This is a setting that you could use if you wanted to compromise on Zen mode :)
@xDoubledragon said in #1:
> Doesn't matter if you're good or bad at chess, nearly all people what focus on ranking are never satisfied, they always wants to improve and get satisfied for getting better ranking rather than enjoying playing the game, it starts to be number game, where you learn how to get higher numbers, stronger you're more obsessed with numbers, they are obssesed over winning games but someone wins, someone loses. You fell happy after winning some games only to destoy it because you lost some games, you're always comparing to others, forgetting that you only see ranking, notching else, ranking obsession leads for insecurites like for example: levy after losing, ranking he got emocionaly crushed, people don't realize how much they care about elo until they lose it and get mad for how hard they worked on. Studing, learning boring lectures, studing theory, analizing games for hours, for what getting 100 elo and still being hooked on getting better, competitive nature for me, is simply unhealthy and I know it isn't just my problem
Hello, you make an interesting point. I am going to share a story with you.
I used to go to group therapy. The psychiatrist with 25 years of experience was talking about this very thing with me. He always said that there were two 2 energies that everyone has - negative and positive energy. When we have more positive energy compared to negative one, we are happy, grateful, kind and we can lead fulfilling lives. However when we have more negative energy compared to positive one, we are angry, aggressive towards other people or we are sad, depressed even.
When we have good relationships, consume positive things such as listening to positive songs, we receive positive energy. When we watch horror movies, listen to negative songs with swear words in them, we receive negative energy. When we compete in sports what happens when we lose? We either get angry or we get sad. Both of these emotions are negative which means we
receive negative energy when we experience them. Even if we sometimes win there's always going to be people that will beat us and we will get sad or angry. Winning occasionally is not good enough. How could it be? The world we live in rewards only the people that are the best at something.
Take chess for example. In tournaments only the top 3 receive medals and all the attention is on them. People say that they are hard working, dedicated and they deserved to win over others after all they won more games. Sure they worked hard but does that mean that the players that did not get top 3 didn't work as hard? Of course not. Some may even have worked harder than the winners but perhaps were unlucky or not as gifted. Their work is not celebrated because they did not win they are losers and
being a loser is bad in this world.
Competing with other people makes us compare each other and as we all know comparison is the thief of joy.
For this reason alone the psychiatrist I had is against all competing activities. He urged me to try activities such as walks in nature, playing an instrument (you don't compete against others).
> Doesn't matter if you're good or bad at chess, nearly all people what focus on ranking are never satisfied, they always wants to improve and get satisfied for getting better ranking rather than enjoying playing the game, it starts to be number game, where you learn how to get higher numbers, stronger you're more obsessed with numbers, they are obssesed over winning games but someone wins, someone loses. You fell happy after winning some games only to destoy it because you lost some games, you're always comparing to others, forgetting that you only see ranking, notching else, ranking obsession leads for insecurites like for example: levy after losing, ranking he got emocionaly crushed, people don't realize how much they care about elo until they lose it and get mad for how hard they worked on. Studing, learning boring lectures, studing theory, analizing games for hours, for what getting 100 elo and still being hooked on getting better, competitive nature for me, is simply unhealthy and I know it isn't just my problem
Hello, you make an interesting point. I am going to share a story with you.
I used to go to group therapy. The psychiatrist with 25 years of experience was talking about this very thing with me. He always said that there were two 2 energies that everyone has - negative and positive energy. When we have more positive energy compared to negative one, we are happy, grateful, kind and we can lead fulfilling lives. However when we have more negative energy compared to positive one, we are angry, aggressive towards other people or we are sad, depressed even.
When we have good relationships, consume positive things such as listening to positive songs, we receive positive energy. When we watch horror movies, listen to negative songs with swear words in them, we receive negative energy. When we compete in sports what happens when we lose? We either get angry or we get sad. Both of these emotions are negative which means we
receive negative energy when we experience them. Even if we sometimes win there's always going to be people that will beat us and we will get sad or angry. Winning occasionally is not good enough. How could it be? The world we live in rewards only the people that are the best at something.
Take chess for example. In tournaments only the top 3 receive medals and all the attention is on them. People say that they are hard working, dedicated and they deserved to win over others after all they won more games. Sure they worked hard but does that mean that the players that did not get top 3 didn't work as hard? Of course not. Some may even have worked harder than the winners but perhaps were unlucky or not as gifted. Their work is not celebrated because they did not win they are losers and
being a loser is bad in this world.
Competing with other people makes us compare each other and as we all know comparison is the thief of joy.
For this reason alone the psychiatrist I had is against all competing activities. He urged me to try activities such as walks in nature, playing an instrument (you don't compete against others).
@xDoubledragon said in #1:
> Studing, learning boring lectures, studing theory, analizing games for hours, for what getting 100 elo and still being hooked on getting better, competitive nature for me, is simply unhealthy and I know it isn't just my problem
Your ilk are a disease to human expression. You rant and rave, incoherently, about trivial things. Yes, Bad fiction writers don't spend their life writing fiction. Bad chess players shouldn't spend a substantial part of their life studying chess. But that doesn't equate to competition is bad. Your conclusion doesn't follow the premise. Competition is inherent to the human condition. Whether you want to or not, you are competing everyday: for job opportunities, for women, or men, or political office, musical talent, athletic ability, etc. Competition is everywhere: deal with it.
> Studing, learning boring lectures, studing theory, analizing games for hours, for what getting 100 elo and still being hooked on getting better, competitive nature for me, is simply unhealthy and I know it isn't just my problem
Your ilk are a disease to human expression. You rant and rave, incoherently, about trivial things. Yes, Bad fiction writers don't spend their life writing fiction. Bad chess players shouldn't spend a substantial part of their life studying chess. But that doesn't equate to competition is bad. Your conclusion doesn't follow the premise. Competition is inherent to the human condition. Whether you want to or not, you are competing everyday: for job opportunities, for women, or men, or political office, musical talent, athletic ability, etc. Competition is everywhere: deal with it.