Germany, please look into the death of Sammy Baker

@Alientcp said in #20:
> When you see one of those running towards you with a knife in a threatening way, the last thing you care about is their mental health. Its your own health and yours what you care about. They have to be stopped or some one might not live another day.
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> Not everyone knows about your condition but your friends and family. The police wont know, a random stranger wont know. Dont expect anyone in the encounter not related to the person to know about their condition. The police sees some one running towards another with a knife, he is gonna shoot him right on the spot to prevent him from harming you.
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> Are there exceptions to the rule? Sure, but most likely you are not going to have it.
I doubt it was really like that. In such cases I don't think like the one with the knife will harm everyone, most probably he would target those who really hate. I ve heard accident , probably in japan, , when someone with mental problems, just targeted a hospital when he was "healed" . So it can be much of different, I think a cases where a man is just out of mind due some reasons, or unable to control himself , because something is really influencing her or him can happen, and it doesn't matters whener you re a target or not, if you want to defend yourself , then you may do it, but don't say that it should be like a rule with no real vision of what and where is influencing things

@aVague said in #21:
Ok dont do nothing when someone is going towards to you with a knife. Best of luck.
But a police officer will though. So I wouldnt recommend people to use a knife out of context.

@Alientcp said in #22:
> Ok dont do nothing when someone is going towards to you with a knife. Best of luck.
> But a police officer will though. So I wouldnt recommend people to use a knife out of context.
that's your choice I don't mind

oh btw, My Fav Scene on the Topic
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiOFgbjlO9I

@Alientcp said in #22:
> Ok dont do nothing when someone is going towards to you with a knife. Best of luck.
> But a police officer will though. So I wouldnt recommend people to use a knife out of context.

Neither would I recommend having mental health issues. *sigh*

@bfchessguy said in #25:
> Neither would I recommend having mental health issues. *sigh*

Mental issues are out of your control, but your reaction in any given circumstance is.

People have attacked others with a knife with intent to kill without having mental health issue.
Other people have attacked others with a knife not necessarily with intent to kill while having a mental health issue.

But at the end of the day, both are quite undistinguishable from eachother for the rest of witnesses and the results are often the same. Either they injure the intended target or they are stopped, usually with deadly force.

That guy decided on how to act (Though if he actually gets attacked,I could bet he wont be sticking with his words).

However, the police does have a policy that they wont change, and that is to shoot the attacker on the spot if he doesnt surrender the weapon on command prior to attacking anyone, or to shoot without warning if he does attack.

@Alientcp said in #26:
> Mental issues are out of your control, but your reaction in any given circumstance is.
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> However, the police does have a policy that they wont change, and that is to shoot the attacker on the spot if he doesnt surrender the weapon on command prior to attacking anyone, or to shoot without warning if he does attack.

Hmm, some police services have changed that kind of policy. When the K9 cop is in the intervention, I think it would have been possible to have someone properly trained. I guess that escalated a lot before the K9 cop triggered a chain of events that lead to fatality.

Anyway I think you do no eff-ing care, for you as long there is a policy, no improvement is needed. As I wrote, this gives a license to kill, and easily get rid of someone needing help.

*sigh*

> *sigh*
It's a troubling and demoralizing conversation, but I think that's sort of the point of victim blaming.

This sums up the bulk of this conversation:
> When you see one of those running towards you with a knife in a threatening way
And if that was what actually happened here, this would not be a bad-faith argument.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith
They pretend to be motivated by justice, but they make such an effort distorting the facts that you know that they must know what they are really doing.

Jean-Paul Sartre on bad-faith:
"I must know that truth very precisely, in order to hide it from myself the more carefully — and this not at two different moments of temporality."

@bfchessguy said in #27:
> Anyway I think you do no eff-ing care, for you as long there is a policy, no improvement is needed.
LOL. You are being ridiculous, but whatever.
If you think otherwise, feel free to disagree. It does not change the way I view the subject.