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Chess.com is praised as mormon site by mormonwiki – that's why I left chess.com

Erik Allebest, the founder and CEO of chess.com, and co-founder Jay Severson, are active long time members of the lds church, generally known as mormons (but also other members of the executive management, like Bryce Heinz, chess.com CFO and Shaun McCoy, chess.com CSO). The lds church has dedicated a site to honor their great mormon sons, Erik & Jay, and the success of their site chess.com:

www.mormonwiki.com/Chess.com

I watched during the last days the mormon drama „Under the Banner of Heaven“ starring an excellent Sam Worthington. In this drama a mormon fundamentalist, son of one the most prominent mormon families in Utah, kills the wife and the 17months old baby of his brother, because the wife did not tolerate anymore violence in the marriage, wanted to leave the lds church and „The Holy Spirit told him to do so“. Though the series plays in the 80s, there is enough evidence that up to now a lot of mormons reject gay people and other races (don’t be fooled by the fact that chess.com said they support „black lives matter“, it’s a commercial decision, they fear consequences if they don’t). Most mormons think that women should above all serve well their husbands, not so little male lds church members still think that polygamy is okay and marital violence is still more common among mormons than in the general population:

www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-young-rob-porter-mormon_n_5a844a06e4b0cf06752087ae

www.thecut.com/2018/02/rob-porter-abuse-mormon-church-assault.html

The founder of the mormonism, Joseph Smith, had 33 wives, the youngest of whom were 12 and 14 years old. He said that polygamy should be obligatory for every mormon man. And lds church members still believe not only in God but also in Joseph Smith.

All members of the lds church – no matter if they want or not - are forced to give at least 10 % of their income to the church. The richer, the higher the percentage (chess.com is now considered to be worth around 500 Mio $, says mormonwiki)

I didn‘t know much about mormons before I watched „Under The Banner of Heaven“. Then I started to check. And after that I cancelled now my chess.com membership because I really don‘t want to indirectly participate in the wealth of a church with such views. Yes, religion is basically everyone’s private matter but only as long as the religion does not promote an aura that treat women as second class citizens, or tolerates marital violence, homophobia and racism. Especially when the specific religion forces their members in financing it and my payment contributes to that.
I gotta ask - are Erik Allebest and Jay Severson devout members of the church, whose activities materially benefit LDS (more than, say, a catholic who gives to the collection plate on sundays), or do they just happen to be Brigham Young University graduates?

I'm not about to write off every person I meet who's a catholic just because the catholic church is one of the most monstrous institutions in the world; I don't think Mormons are *that* much different.
The NBA and NFL has its share of women beating and cop killing-gangsta rapping thugs, yet people pay enormous sums of money to watch them.
@CadyRocks said in #3:
> I'm not about to write off every person I meet who's a catholic just because the catholic church is one of the most monstrous institutions in the world; I don't think Mormons are *that* much different.

You cannot compare the catholic church with the mormons: the first is considered to be today a half-way modern world religion (they had their dark times and scandals in the deep middle ages) while the other is an obscure sect which shares up to now a hundred year old role model of women. Mormons are obliged to give 10 % monthly, catholic church members don’t even give 1 %. The catholic religion does not matter at all in the daily life of catholics while nearly all mormons say that religion is very important for them and omnipresent.
@robbye said in #5:
> You cannot compare the catholic church with the mormons: the first is considered to be today a half-way modern world religion

The catholic church held Jews categorically responsible for the death of Jesus. As in, all Jews, everywhere, for all time. This doctrine, which has been used to justify pogroms and genocides throughout history, was overturned in 1962. There are still Catholics today, particularly of the "tradcath" variety, who believe that this was a mistake. Maybe I'm just a bit bitter over it, I dunno.

The basic principle is the same, though - there are Mormons who are fine, decent people, who just live their lives. I have no reason to believe that either of the founders of chess.com are bigots, pedophiles, bigamists, or misogynists, and frankly, it's none of my business. Taking a brief look through his wife's blog, I can say she's significantly less sexist than several of the people I've seen on this forum. You're painting with a very broad brush, and while I will gladly agree that I dislike the doctrines of the LDS, I don't know why you'd go after someone you don't know because of their tangential relationship with a religious group you dislike.

Also, can we pause for a moment and examine something?

> don’t be fooled by the fact that chess.com said they support „black lives matter“, it’s a commercial decision, they fear consequences if they don’t

This is extremely silly. Public support for BLM is not a straightforwardly good business decision, any more than speaking up for victims of sexual abuse at the hands of the powerful is a straightforwardly good business decision. It's the right thing to do, but there are an awful lot of people who rankle at the idea that black people's lives are worth as much as white people's, for whatever reason.

@HerkyHawkeye huh, weird, for some reason after I read your post every dog in a mile-wide radius started barking.
Chess.com and the mormons, that’s an interesting story indeed. The chess.com of today has not much in common with the chess.com of 2007. Now they have 400 employees and they have financings: General Atlantic financed, I guess something between 50 and 150 million $, the amount is not published. Flashpoint also financed chess.com and sold the stake then to an irish sports betting company (now you know why the chess.com pawn is green, lol). Chess.com was always based in Palo Alto. But then they moved to mormon head quarter Utah. And they have suddenly now a Chief Financial Officer, they did never have one. He graduated only 3 years ago (so it seems he has not much business experience) but he is from – you can guess 3 times – Utah.
@KingofSuits said in #7:
... Now they have 400 employees ...

And all of them are working from home, there is still no real chess.com office. What makes some attractivity of a chess.com job. On the downside, chess.com pays below industry average. What is no problem with the support team, they are the only chess site out there with a professional support at all. But low wages are definitely a problem with their developers team. That’s why since 4 weeks the coding for their chess.com players league (with an impressing number of millions of amateurs playing there) is broken and nobody of their developers team can repair the code. If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
If you ask easy questions, the chess.com support is still a help. But not if things are more complicated, too many quickly trained rookies now there, I know more of chess.com then they do.

Why a sports betting company invests in chess.com/? Pure investment, or will we soon see bets below Arsenal vs Liverpool for Nepo against Dubov??? (I bet on a draw, by the way)
Unfortunately chess.com will not make me CEO after Erik Allebest as mormons don't allow coffee and alcohol and as I always say to my wife "You look like I need a beer"

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