Hi all
I noticed the following very important historical game:
which indicates in the analysis right now about 17.Qb3 being an inaccuracy
Not sure it is:
17: Wilhelm Steinitz - Adolf Anderssen 1-0 7.1, Vienna Vienna AUH 1873
rr4k1/pb1R1ppp/8/2p3q1/Q3p3/2N1P3/PP3PPP/2R3K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Stockfish 16 - one thread version:
1. +- (4.30): 17.Qb3 c4 18.Qxc4 Qg6 19.h3 Qe6 20.Qxe6 fxe6 21.Rcd1 a5 22.Rc7 Bd5 23.Nxd5 exd5 24.Rxd5 Rxb2 25.Rdd7 Rxa2 26.Rxg7+ Kh8 27.Rxh7+ Kg8 28.Rcg7+ Kf8
2. +- (3.97): 17.Rcd1 h6 18.Rc7 Qe5 19.Qd7 Ba6 20.Qxf7+ Kh8 21.Re7 Bc4 22.Qf8+ Rxf8 23.Rxe5 Rab8 24.Rd2 Rbd8 25.Rxd8 Rxd8 26.Rxc5 Bxa2 27.Ra5 Bb1 28.Rxa7 Rd2 29.h3 Rxb2 30.Ra4 Bd3 31.Rd4 Kh7 32.Nxe4
3. +- (2.94): 17.Qc4 Qf5 18.Rc7 a5 19.Rxc5 Rc8 20.Rc7 Rxc7 21.Qxc7 Qc8 22.Qe7 Bd5 23.Qe5 Be6 24.Qxe4 Rb8 25.b3 Qc5 26.h3 h6 27.Ne2 Qa3 28.Rc2 a4 29.Qxa4 Qxa4 30.bxa4 Ra8 31.Nd4 Bd7 32.Rc7 Bxa4 33.Rc5
4. +- (2.93): 17.Rc7 Qd8 18.Rxc5 Qb6 19.Rb5 Qc7 20.Ne2 Qd6 21.Rd1 Qc7 22.h3 Rc8 23.Qa5 Qxa5 24.Rxa5 a6 25.Rd2 g6 26.g4 Rd8 27.Rxd8+ Rxd8 28.Nd4
5. +- (2.83): 17.h3 Bc8 18.Rd5 Qe7 19.Qa3 Be6 20.Rxc5 Rd8 21.Nb5 Bd7 22.Nc7 Rab8 23.Nd5 Qf8 24.Nf4 a5 25.Rd1 a4 26.Rcd5 Bb5 27.Rxd8 Rxd8 28.Rxd8 Qxd8 29.Qc5 Bd3 30.b3
6. +- (2.74): 17.b3 a5 18.Qc4 Qf5 19.Rc7 Ba6 20.Qxe4 Qxe4 21.Nxe4 c4 22.bxc4 a4 23.a3 Rb3 24.Nc5 Rxa3 25.Nxa6 h5 26.Nc5 Ra2 27.Ne4 Rb2 28.Ra1 a3 29.h3 Rc2 30.c5 a2 31.Kh2
White is clearly winning
(Gavriel, 20.05.2024)
The game had been imported by "Imported by GEN1US" but doesn't show when.
I wonder if the date of import could be shown, and maybe if it was more than a year ago, an option to "update analysis" could be offered to make use of the latest Stockfish updates the site is usually following.
It was actually a very important game in question - for the evolution of chess style Steinitz was ushering in a new era of "modern positional chess", and learned lessons against Anderssen from Baden-Baden 1870 where he lost twice to him.
Anyway, given best analysis engine, it shows actually even in 1873, Steinitz was able to play a near perfect game for human standards of perfection.
I noticed the following very important historical game:
which indicates in the analysis right now about 17.Qb3 being an inaccuracy
Not sure it is:
17: Wilhelm Steinitz - Adolf Anderssen 1-0 7.1, Vienna Vienna AUH 1873
rr4k1/pb1R1ppp/8/2p3q1/Q3p3/2N1P3/PP3PPP/2R3K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Stockfish 16 - one thread version:
1. +- (4.30): 17.Qb3 c4 18.Qxc4 Qg6 19.h3 Qe6 20.Qxe6 fxe6 21.Rcd1 a5 22.Rc7 Bd5 23.Nxd5 exd5 24.Rxd5 Rxb2 25.Rdd7 Rxa2 26.Rxg7+ Kh8 27.Rxh7+ Kg8 28.Rcg7+ Kf8
2. +- (3.97): 17.Rcd1 h6 18.Rc7 Qe5 19.Qd7 Ba6 20.Qxf7+ Kh8 21.Re7 Bc4 22.Qf8+ Rxf8 23.Rxe5 Rab8 24.Rd2 Rbd8 25.Rxd8 Rxd8 26.Rxc5 Bxa2 27.Ra5 Bb1 28.Rxa7 Rd2 29.h3 Rxb2 30.Ra4 Bd3 31.Rd4 Kh7 32.Nxe4
3. +- (2.94): 17.Qc4 Qf5 18.Rc7 a5 19.Rxc5 Rc8 20.Rc7 Rxc7 21.Qxc7 Qc8 22.Qe7 Bd5 23.Qe5 Be6 24.Qxe4 Rb8 25.b3 Qc5 26.h3 h6 27.Ne2 Qa3 28.Rc2 a4 29.Qxa4 Qxa4 30.bxa4 Ra8 31.Nd4 Bd7 32.Rc7 Bxa4 33.Rc5
4. +- (2.93): 17.Rc7 Qd8 18.Rxc5 Qb6 19.Rb5 Qc7 20.Ne2 Qd6 21.Rd1 Qc7 22.h3 Rc8 23.Qa5 Qxa5 24.Rxa5 a6 25.Rd2 g6 26.g4 Rd8 27.Rxd8+ Rxd8 28.Nd4
5. +- (2.83): 17.h3 Bc8 18.Rd5 Qe7 19.Qa3 Be6 20.Rxc5 Rd8 21.Nb5 Bd7 22.Nc7 Rab8 23.Nd5 Qf8 24.Nf4 a5 25.Rd1 a4 26.Rcd5 Bb5 27.Rxd8 Rxd8 28.Rxd8 Qxd8 29.Qc5 Bd3 30.b3
6. +- (2.74): 17.b3 a5 18.Qc4 Qf5 19.Rc7 Ba6 20.Qxe4 Qxe4 21.Nxe4 c4 22.bxc4 a4 23.a3 Rb3 24.Nc5 Rxa3 25.Nxa6 h5 26.Nc5 Ra2 27.Ne4 Rb2 28.Ra1 a3 29.h3 Rc2 30.c5 a2 31.Kh2
White is clearly winning
(Gavriel, 20.05.2024)
The game had been imported by "Imported by GEN1US" but doesn't show when.
I wonder if the date of import could be shown, and maybe if it was more than a year ago, an option to "update analysis" could be offered to make use of the latest Stockfish updates the site is usually following.
It was actually a very important game in question - for the evolution of chess style Steinitz was ushering in a new era of "modern positional chess", and learned lessons against Anderssen from Baden-Baden 1870 where he lost twice to him.
Anyway, given best analysis engine, it shows actually even in 1873, Steinitz was able to play a near perfect game for human standards of perfection.