I think Bobby Fischer was right, chess sucks because its just all memorization and prepared lines, especially classical chess. I'm starting to see now why he said that. I have a terrible memory and was never good at puzzles. Think this is probably the wrong game for me. I have been playing for 2 months and I am not getting any better. I've Watched videos, study books, practice exercises, analyze my games. Even the chess community is very snobby, condescending and fake. I mean how could they prefer slow chess, when its boring and played for draws? Doesn't even feel like a sport to me compared to bullet and blitz. I think the whole game and community is all a fraud. I'm ready to give up on it. Feel like burning the books and DGT board I bought in a big bonfire in my backyard to cleanse my soul lol.
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I agree, that yes it is basically just calculation and memorizing (as long as a bunch more of learning and studying).
But i wouldnt say the whole community is bad and condescending. If Chess isnt the game for you, its okay, chess isnt for everyone. go have fun playing other games you enjoy!
But i wouldnt say the whole community is bad and condescending. If Chess isnt the game for you, its okay, chess isnt for everyone. go have fun playing other games you enjoy!
@rbcb said in #3:
> I agree, that yes it is basically just calculation and memorizing (as long as a bunch more of learning and studying).
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> But i wouldnt say the whole community is bad and condescending. If Chess isnt the game for you, its okay, chess isnt for everyone. go have fun playing other games you enjoy!
Ya I didn't know what he meant until now. I definitely went overboard. I already asked for a refund on chess.com, Should of never bought an expensive board or any books lmao. I'm constantly hearing that society is too dumb to play chess and thats why its not popular. But imo, society is smart and knows better. This is just another board game and not a sport. And if having a photographic memory is a "skill" then maybe i'm wrong. But I'm just not buying it anymore. I mean i love how little kids and adults can be playing on the same board. Reminds me of handball in NYC. But it just goes to show that most of it is natural ability and very little to do with learning. If anything its experience from the memory of past positions that comes second. "theory". I was refusing to believe that but I have to just accept the fact I'm lying to myself otherwise. So unless i plan on playing this game for years starting from a child with the ability of a good memory just to be a novice, then I might as well give it up now. lol Breaks my heart.
> I agree, that yes it is basically just calculation and memorizing (as long as a bunch more of learning and studying).
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> But i wouldnt say the whole community is bad and condescending. If Chess isnt the game for you, its okay, chess isnt for everyone. go have fun playing other games you enjoy!
Ya I didn't know what he meant until now. I definitely went overboard. I already asked for a refund on chess.com, Should of never bought an expensive board or any books lmao. I'm constantly hearing that society is too dumb to play chess and thats why its not popular. But imo, society is smart and knows better. This is just another board game and not a sport. And if having a photographic memory is a "skill" then maybe i'm wrong. But I'm just not buying it anymore. I mean i love how little kids and adults can be playing on the same board. Reminds me of handball in NYC. But it just goes to show that most of it is natural ability and very little to do with learning. If anything its experience from the memory of past positions that comes second. "theory". I was refusing to believe that but I have to just accept the fact I'm lying to myself otherwise. So unless i plan on playing this game for years starting from a child with the ability of a good memory just to be a novice, then I might as well give it up now. lol Breaks my heart.
I like doing chess. It's a fun game, and I want to do it if i'm bored. I don't understand why you are beginning to not like it.
Chess is a battle of ideas. Understanding the moves you're playing is extremely important, logical thinking is extremely important..
Pure memorization is not relevant unless you are playing at a very high level, which is not the case for 99.999999% of the players.
Pure memorization is not relevant unless you are playing at a very high level, which is not the case for 99.999999% of the players.
It depends on why you play. The positive thing you mentioned which i like is that anyone can play anyone all over the world. The range of people who play is diverse and its a way to meet people you might not otherwise get to know. I have not found that people are snobbish about chess in general. There is that element for some, (discounting opinions based on someone's elo) but I just find that behavior silly. Mostly people are pretty friendly and share a love for the game.
You talk about the fact that its all memorization. Memory is certainly important but equally important are the skills to evaluate a position and to see tactics and calculate. Its not all rote. And those skills take time to develop. A few months is not enough. I think to play at top levels you need more and more memory. But as a beginner and intermediate player its mostly tactics. You also need some imagination and creativity. There is always the option to play Fischer Random (Chess960) which Fischer invented specifically to eliminate opening preparation and rote memorization. Maybe you did overdo it and just need a break. Just some occasional rapids games might be more your thing. If you are a very competitive person and you don't feel you have the mindset for the skills needed to be 'better than most' chess may not make you happy and you should look for something more suited to your likes.
that's my two pawns worth...
You talk about the fact that its all memorization. Memory is certainly important but equally important are the skills to evaluate a position and to see tactics and calculate. Its not all rote. And those skills take time to develop. A few months is not enough. I think to play at top levels you need more and more memory. But as a beginner and intermediate player its mostly tactics. You also need some imagination and creativity. There is always the option to play Fischer Random (Chess960) which Fischer invented specifically to eliminate opening preparation and rote memorization. Maybe you did overdo it and just need a break. Just some occasional rapids games might be more your thing. If you are a very competitive person and you don't feel you have the mindset for the skills needed to be 'better than most' chess may not make you happy and you should look for something more suited to your likes.
that's my two pawns worth...
And not only that. I think both these sites are infested with cheaters. Just like e-sports, I Don't think it could ever be respected by society because of that.
@EmaciatedSpaniard said in #7:
> It depends on why you play. The positive thing you mentioned which i like is that anyone can play anyone all over the world. The range of people who play is diverse and its a way to meet people you might not otherwise get to know. I have not found that people are snobbish about chess in general. There is that element for some, (discounting opinions based on someone's elo) but I just find that behavior silly. Mostly people are pretty friendly and share a love for the game.
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> You talk about the fact that its all memorization. Memory is certainly important but equally important are the skills to evaluate a position and to see tactics and calculate. Its not all rote. And those skills take time to develop. A few months is not enough. I think to play at top levels you need more and more memory. But as a beginner and intermediate player its mostly tactics. You also need some imagination and creativity. There is always the option to play Fischer Random (Chess960) which Fischer invented specifically to eliminate opening preparation and rote memorization. Maybe you did overdo it and just need a break. Just some occasional rapids games might be more your thing. If you are a very competitive person and you don't feel you have the mindset for the skills needed to be 'better than most' chess may not make you happy and you should look for something more suited to your likes.
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> that's my two pawns worth...
I no longer believe what you say is true. Its a lie. If any of it is true, its also only at the highest levels.
> It depends on why you play. The positive thing you mentioned which i like is that anyone can play anyone all over the world. The range of people who play is diverse and its a way to meet people you might not otherwise get to know. I have not found that people are snobbish about chess in general. There is that element for some, (discounting opinions based on someone's elo) but I just find that behavior silly. Mostly people are pretty friendly and share a love for the game.
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> You talk about the fact that its all memorization. Memory is certainly important but equally important are the skills to evaluate a position and to see tactics and calculate. Its not all rote. And those skills take time to develop. A few months is not enough. I think to play at top levels you need more and more memory. But as a beginner and intermediate player its mostly tactics. You also need some imagination and creativity. There is always the option to play Fischer Random (Chess960) which Fischer invented specifically to eliminate opening preparation and rote memorization. Maybe you did overdo it and just need a break. Just some occasional rapids games might be more your thing. If you are a very competitive person and you don't feel you have the mindset for the skills needed to be 'better than most' chess may not make you happy and you should look for something more suited to your likes.
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> that's my two pawns worth...
I no longer believe what you say is true. Its a lie. If any of it is true, its also only at the highest levels.
Why does this feel like someone that just got pissed off after a losing streak
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