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choosing openings for my friend who is just starting out

I do not agree with those who propose the openings:

-sicilienne
For what ? because the strategic ideas behind this opening are complicated for a beginner to learn, we usually learn to take the center and this is not the case
! Black has compensation but the beginner player won't understand, beginner players must be used to taking the center, so I think the Sicilian
is reserved for level one may be higher.
it's an opening that requires a lot of practice, it would surprise me if a beginner launched with the scisilienne with success

-Caro-Kann and the French defense
how to castle easily when white makes the variant in advance?
generally you have to do c5 and know the theory, you can't castle quickly and for a beginner he it will be lost

I think I'll teach him the London system,because we can go quickly to castling and play moves regardless of the opponent's moves
(this is not the case but it is the idea of the system)

with the blacks against e4 I'm thinking of e5, but hey it will be necessary to learn a little theory like Ruy Lopez,
unfortunately there is no system against e4 it will be necessary to know a minimum of theory

and against d4 he will do d5-e6-Nf6-Be7-00

I think he plays Italian with White but Black can play something other than e5 so no

what can I say about the choices of my openings for my friend and thank you for the answers
If he's starting out just teach him the firwt two moves and opening principles. Develop, center, king safety. You say he "plays the Italian" so maybe he's not truly starting chess?
What the freak...., it starts all over again.....
Well, the strategic ideas behind any opening are complicated for a beginner to learn...which is why all this concern seems a trifle misplaced to me.
I think someone just starting out should not worry about specific opening lines, but rather learn basic principles. The beginnings of Daniel Naroditsky speed runs on chess.com talk a lot about those.

See youtube . com/watch?v=Ytkf3qZTj74&list=PLT1F2nOxLHOcmi_qi1BbY6axf5xLFEcit

If you're a rank beginner, better to know about center pawns, knights, and bishops, than trying to follow the London, or the King's Indian, or whatever.
"... you must choose what openings you will be using. ..." - Journey to the Chess Kingdom (a book for beginners by Yuri Averbakh & Mikhail Beilin)
"... For players with very limited experience, I recommend using openings in which the play can be clarified at an early stage, often with a degree of simplification. To accomplish this safely will take a little study, because you will have to get used to playing with open lines for both sides' pieces, but you can't eliminate risk entirely in the opening anyway. ... teachers all over the world suggest that inexperienced players begin with 1 e4. ... You will undoubtedly see the reply 1 ... e5 most often when playing at or near a beginner's level, ... After 2 Nf3, 2 ... Nc6 will occur in the bulk of your games. ... I recommend taking up the classical and instructive move 3 Bc4 at an early stage. Then, against 3 ... Bc5, it's thematic to try to establish the ideal centre by 4 c3 and 5 d4; after that, things can get complicated enough that you need to take a look at some theory and learn the basics; ... Of course, you can also play 1 d4 ... A solid and more-or-less universal set-up is 2 Nf3 and 3 Bf4, followed in most cases by 4 e3, 5 Be2 and 6 0-0. I'd rather see my students fight their way through open positions instead; however, if you're not getting out of the opening alive after 1 e4, this method of playing 1 d4 deserves consideration. ... a commonly suggested 'easy' repertoire for White with 1 Nf3 and the King's Indian Attack ... doesn't lead to an open game or one with a clear plan for White. Furthermore, it encourages mechanical play. Similarly, teachers sometimes recommend the Colle System ..., which can also be played too automatically, and usually doesn't lead to an open position. For true beginners, the King's Indian Attack and Colle System have the benefit of offering a safe position that nearly guarantees passage to some kind of playable middlegame; they may be a reasonable alternative if other openings are too intimidating. But having gained even a small amount of experience, you really should switch to more open and less automatic play. ... As Black, I think that [players with very limited experience] would do well ... playing 1...e5 versus 1 e4 and 1...d5 versus 1 d4. ... [After 1 d4 d5, if] White plays the most important move, 2 c4, inexperienced players might want to begin classically with 2...e6 followed by ...Nf6 and ...Be7 ..." - IM John Watson in his 2010 book, Mastering the Chess Openings, Volume 4
"... I am not a big fan of weaker players memorizing lots of opening lines they will never play. However, it is quite a different issue to spend a small amount of time learning how to play your openings a little better each time they occur. A long journey begins with a single step. ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2005)
web.archive.org/web/20140627023809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman50.pdf
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@MrPushwood he just knows the movements of the pieces, I agree that he doesn't need to learn the strategic ideas behind the openings, but at least making an opening up to castling is the basis, it's that's why I'm asking here, which opening is the simplest for that, London allows you to play the movements mechanically and allows you to have a descent position without knowing the theory, it's especially when he plays while being black that I don't I don't know because there is no system, my friend doesn't have the ambition to become strong but just to play correctly
for black, e5 is a tough system to learn as a beginner. They're going to be showered with gambit after gambit, and if you don't know the main ideas you will lose lots of games. I'd do something solid like the Pirc.

For white I'd go with something like the Danish Gambit - quickly give away 2 pawns for development, but learn how powerful the initiative can be.
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"Alekhine advised beginners not to play the Spanish game. We also recommend you get some experience first by playing relatively simple openings - the Scotch and Italian games - and only then move on to the Spanish one." - Journey to the Chess Kingdom by Yuri Averbakh and Mikhail Beilin
It is possible to play a somewhat simplified Ruy Lopez by going for 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 d3. There is a chapter about this in The Ruy Lopez: Move by Move by Neil McDonald (2011).
web.archive.org/web/20140627022042/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen153.pdf
"... As a first step in mastering the Ruy Lopez, you need a solid, simple repertoire that will allow you to play practice games with your new opening without fearing nasty surprises. ... 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 d3 ... This should be by far the most common position you reach after 3 Bb5. Until, that is, you feel ready to branch out from 5 d3 to other, sharper variations. ..." - GM Neil McDonald (2011)
"... A beginner should avoid the Queen's Gambit and the French Defense and play open games instead! While he may not win as many games at first, he will in the long run be amply compensated by acquiring a thorough knowledge of the game. ..." - Richard Réti (~1929)
www.amazon.com/Masters-Chessboard-21st-Century-Richard/dp/1936490218

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