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I suppose that if you also have a high ELO, something strange, because if you participate in arena tournaments in lichess, it's impossible to maintain a high ELO with so many cheaters competing there, so you are also suspected of also using an engine... it's a double-edged sword...
Actually i had an alt: @PikachuFan001 which got banned for cheating since I played very well in 9 games (96% accuracy and 10 centipawn loss in some games!) and had a new account. Although I agree that most often such accounts are cheating, here is an example where such an account was a player ):
Ok, I'm old, but what amazes me is these cheaters' obsession with deceiving, their morbid pleasure in beating others in this way, they are almost psychotic types...
@manoale60 said in #6:
> Ok, I'm old, but what amazes me is these cheaters' obsession with deceiving, their morbid pleasure in beating others in this way, they are almost psychotic types...
Yeah, honestly, I’m not surprised. If we look at our closest biological cousins (chimpanzees) they also display this sort of behaviour. They’ve been observed engaging in deceptive and manipulative tactics, like pretending not to care about food to distract others, or hiding their intentions when planning attacks. In fact, chimpanzees often get an almost gleeful pleasure from attacking neighbouring troops, but only if they outnumber them, which shows how deep-rooted and strategic deception can be in primate behaviour. So in that sense, humans finding joy in deception, even in something as pointless as online chess cheating – isn’t really surprising at all I would say.
> Ok, I'm old, but what amazes me is these cheaters' obsession with deceiving, their morbid pleasure in beating others in this way, they are almost psychotic types...
Yeah, honestly, I’m not surprised. If we look at our closest biological cousins (chimpanzees) they also display this sort of behaviour. They’ve been observed engaging in deceptive and manipulative tactics, like pretending not to care about food to distract others, or hiding their intentions when planning attacks. In fact, chimpanzees often get an almost gleeful pleasure from attacking neighbouring troops, but only if they outnumber them, which shows how deep-rooted and strategic deception can be in primate behaviour. So in that sense, humans finding joy in deception, even in something as pointless as online chess cheating – isn’t really surprising at all I would say.
I understand that things are much more complex. Look, we're anonymous here, we're not theoretically competing for anything important, but if I accidentally win a better position from someone much higher in the rankings than me, it's no surprise that a few moves later they come up with a wonderful move, something that requires complex calculations. In other words, they lose their cool and resort to the engine. What's the reason for this? Will they stop being a supposed GM because they lose to someone of a supposedly lower ranking? Anyway, that's what keeps chess alive, right?
@manoale60 said in #8:
> I understand that things are much more complex. Look, we're anonymous here, we're not theoretically competing for anything important, but if I accidentally win a better position from someone much higher in the rankings than me, it's no surprise that a few moves later they come up with a wonderful move, something that requires complex calculations. In other words, they lose their cool and resort to the engine. What's the reason for this? Will they stop being a supposed GM because they lose to someone of a supposedly lower ranking? Anyway, that's what keeps chess alive, right?
I get what you’re saying. Personally, I actually think cheating makes the game dead, not alive – it removes the whole point of chess, which is testing yourself against another mind. But at the same time, I can kind of understand the incentive and pleasure some people get from cheating. It’s not a completely foreign concept to me when you look at how humans work psychologically – for some, that feeling of power or control over others overrides everything else.
Also, if you want to share that game you mentioned, where your opponent suddenly started playing like a GM after getting into a lost position, feel free to post it. If it’s interesting enough, I might even make a blog analysing it.
> I understand that things are much more complex. Look, we're anonymous here, we're not theoretically competing for anything important, but if I accidentally win a better position from someone much higher in the rankings than me, it's no surprise that a few moves later they come up with a wonderful move, something that requires complex calculations. In other words, they lose their cool and resort to the engine. What's the reason for this? Will they stop being a supposed GM because they lose to someone of a supposedly lower ranking? Anyway, that's what keeps chess alive, right?
I get what you’re saying. Personally, I actually think cheating makes the game dead, not alive – it removes the whole point of chess, which is testing yourself against another mind. But at the same time, I can kind of understand the incentive and pleasure some people get from cheating. It’s not a completely foreign concept to me when you look at how humans work psychologically – for some, that feeling of power or control over others overrides everything else.
Also, if you want to share that game you mentioned, where your opponent suddenly started playing like a GM after getting into a lost position, feel free to post it. If it’s interesting enough, I might even make a blog analysing it.
I don't even try to remember those games, it doesn't make sense to me, you see, when using the engine the cheaters lose all notion of the game, when they play without the engine, the game is pathetic, they barely know how to move the pieces, when I realize that they play with the engine I give up the game right away, my objective when playing even against them, is that in chess you first need to beat yourself, if I lost because I made a mistake, the problem is mine, even if in the end I manage to win the game, in fact I even thank them for this forced training, they show me some moves that only I paying a GM $100.00 an hour could achieve. There is a website that doesn't measure you by winning or losing the game, just by your performance and on top of that it tries to transform the scores from lichess.com and chess.com into FIDE parity using complex formulas, it may not be very perfect, but it gives you a good idea of your evolution and probable real rating: www.chessmonitor.com/u/M92oV4ESB3oA1l5sZfPi