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Suggest a setting to disallow premoves

A person already has the option to opt out of premoves themselves. They achieve this by not making premoves.

As for their opponents, I guess I see no problem with people being able to filter it out, but I also can't relate to most of the complains about it, and thus don't see why it is necessary for someone at Lichess to put in the effort to make it possible.

I have no sympathy for anyone who considers premoves to be "rude" or "disrespectful". This is no different from people whining about their own arbitrary and inconsistent idea of "sportsmanship" when complaining about not getting rematches. It is too subjective, too impossible to actually define, so some random person's idea of what is "respectful" is not useful in any way. I don't feel personally offended when somebody makes a premove, and indeed I find the suggestion that I would to be laughable. It's a chess move.

I also disagree with the assumption expressed above that somebody making premoves is not taking chess "seriously." That is an embarrassing argument. As if there is only one appropriate way to play, and anybody who doesn't do exactly what you do is just goofing around and wasting time. Again, too subjective. Too easy to just make up your standard as you go, so you always have something to whine about.
Why pre-moves are bad: Because you can get flagged

Why pre-moves are good: Because chess is a game with incredible depth, if you want to prove that you are THAT good that you can complete a full game of chess in under a minute (lets say) then you have to respect the game itself and its amazing depth.

Just because you reached a winning position doesn't mean that it's easy to win it, and certainly computers seem to show that, they seem to show the amazing defensive depth that one can exert when he is losing and how difficult it might still be at times to convert a winning position into a winning chess game.

But I will still agree with @MeWantCookieMobile to have a feature that allows people to play without pre moves if they so desire.

Another thing tho that we could have instead of getting rid of premoves is keeping the premoves as they are but having a TRUE chess clock.

A true chess clock is a clock that still runs even if you are premoving, so if someone is playing a game of chess with every single move premoved right now, and starts say with 1:00 on their clock, by the end of 50 premoves he will still have 1:00 on his clock... With a true clock the clock measures true time so all these 50 premoves still took time to be made, therefore they should still count in the guy's time. With such a chess clock we can keep the premoves and get rid of too much flagging if that's what we desire...

In chess.com for example, you can make as many premoves as you like one on top of the other, what I have seen as a 1600 bullet player in chess.com is that even tho I'm easily winning 1500 here on lichess I find it very hard to win even 1300 on chess.com. These guys can remove more so their overall time on their clock is consequently more than 1:00.

So yeah such feature would be nice! But comes with the cost...
chess.com pre-move consumes some time unlike the lichess one. I think it takes 0.1 secs or sometthing like that
Yes I was a bit wrong there, it does in fact drain your time a little bit but being able to premove as many moves as you like really makes some difference in chess.com :P
I preffer chess.com multiples pre-moves with 0.1 seconds loss than lichess single pre-move with no time loss. My opponents make pre-move too and when I make my move it is a real time move, no pre-move at all...

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