Do cheaters receive a warning several games before their account is closed?

@Zooparis -- Though! And sorry, I don't care if that kid was the potential God of chess. He should learn NEVER to cheat again.

Sorry, but I have no respect for rule breakers who blame their eventual failure on others (unfortunately, a very common trend in our society today). Every action has a consequence. If the kid quits chess because of this (doubt it, but let's say they do), they only have THEMSELVES to blame for it. They decided to cheat and got called out for it. They should have thought about consequences BEFORE they decided to cheat. As I said: all actions have consequences, even when you're a kid. One cannot disrespect others (and cheating is a great disrespect to your opponent) and then expect others not to push back.

And one more thing: Lichess cannot distinguish between an adult cheater, a kid cheater, one who cheats out of revenge or boredom or idiocy etc. Lichess can only tell "this player cheated". Which is exactly what they do by adding that cheater mark. The rest (incl. the consequences of that cheater mark) is for the cheater to deal with (or whoever is responsible for the chess club, or the parents, or whatever). In any case, NOT Lichess' problem.

The kid didn't blame others. He cheated and then was ashamed.
What would be the drawback of a warning?

@Zooparis -- The main drawback is that it sends the wrong message, both to the kid AND the other kids who learn about this. Basically, it tells everyone that cheating is not such a serious offence, 'cause after all, "you only get a warning for it" (at least the first time you do it). Then, before you know it, other kids do it too, because it's "fun" and a very easy "let's feel good about myself" technique. Huge drawback imho.

Now, my turn to ask: What would be the drawback of feeling ashamed for a wrong choice + deed, and learning from that not to repeat it?

But regardless, the point is moot: as I pointed out, Lichess has no way of distinguishing between a "kid who made a mistake" and a different type of cheater.

I didn't mean that a warning should be the only retribution for cheating. I meant, first a warning, then close the account if the cheat goes on. If you think a public warning would be a bad incentive for other people it could be a private warning.

To answer your question: The risks associated with a shameful and traumatic event you were never given a chance to imagine the social consequences before it happened.

@Zooparis -- First a warning means you can get away with cheating once. It's a BAD message to send + unfair to everyone.

The chess club never explained to the kid that cheating is wrong, and the consequences if you do it?!? Really?

Of course it did, but over the board play and online play is different. More kids play online because of the lockdown.
I suppose you can get away with cheating once anyway. A warning would'nt change that. In most cases you probably need several games to be sure a cheater is a cheater.

@Zooparis --

>> "Of course it did" -- Great, so they should use this as an educational opportunity to drive home the message even more that CHEATING IS BAD and has serious consequences. Both OTB *and* online.

>> "you need several games to be sure a cheater is a cheater" -- If that is the case, then the kid must have cheated in several games before they got caught, no? ;)

Anyway, we're going in circles here. I think Lichess is doing the right thing on this. You think differently. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Cheers!

May be what lichess is doing is the lesser evil, I don't know, may be there are good reasons for not warning, although the reason you gave me didn't convince me.
To know that cheating is bad in general is one thing. To know that you might get punished for it is another thing.

Cheers!

This is not the place to debate this. If you are marked you can appeal at lichess.org/contact