The problem with 15 + 10 is that it is a little too fast, and the problem with 30 + 0 is the lack of increment.
30 + 0 is a problem for endgame practice (no more time if the game is long, which is often the case if there is an endgame).
I don't like the games without increment because I don't like the fact that the game is often a race, more than a real chess game.
For me a chess game without increment is not fair.
@IsaVulpes Look, normally it makes sense to play at the lower end of the rating category. So what you see is that 3+0, 10+0 and 15+15 are the most commonly played time controls in their respective rating categories. And traditionally the same applies to 1+0 bullet.
What you're basically saying now is that people don't, or shouldn't, care which rating category they play in.. and thus not care on which end of it they play.
I hope you realize why there are different rating categories in the first place: That is because people actually do, and should care.
Reading the whole thread and all the related as well, found that people don't want to play 15+10 over 15+15 because their games will count as "Rapid" instead of "Classical". I even saw a comment that said "I liked the Turtle not the Rabbit" which to me is (!!!). Also in practice, that 5 second increment doesn't do much actually.
I found that people who usually played 15+15 don't want to play 30+0 because "it's too long". I ask to those, have you ever played 30+0? I played both time controls and 15+15 is even longer!!
I understand that maybe 30+20 is a bit longer as the difference between 0 seconds and 20 seconds of increment is huge, not the case between 15+10 and 15+15. But if you want to avoid that you can always play 30+0, 15+10 or create a Custom game.
I read that people don't like 30+0 because they don't want to get flagged, but most of the games are decided before you can play on increment as IsaVulpes points in #46.
Personally, I really liked this change as 15+15 was a bit fast for classical but if I want to play a game which last almost the same I can play 30+0 and if I want to play a longer game 30+20 it's a really good option, also I think we needed Rapid with increment in the quick pairing buttons since a long time.
@TaielChess "I found that people who usually played 15+15 don't want to play 30+0 because "it's too long"."
I don't think anyone in this thread has said that, nor have I heard anyone say it. It's obviously not true either.
The problem is the lack of an increment.
"I read that people don't like 30+0 because they don't want to get flagged, but most of the games are decided before you can play on increment as IsaVulpes points in #46."
This definitely doesn't apply to my games at all. The main reason I like a large increment is that I get to practice endings. And I do. A *lot*.
@Molorus Actually #8 said that and also I said I read this whole thread and all the the related ones, this is not the only thread where people are complaining and enjoying the new feature.
PS: I said "most" not "all" the games.
@TaielChess Ah, #8, missed that... I stand corrected, and I would agree that's not the best argument. :)
15 + 10 is really a little too fast. I just played one now, and at times I only had a few seconds left.
The 10 seconds increment is not enough when the position is complex and you leave on the increments. It's very stressful and you make a blunder easily. The 15 seconds makes a huge difference when you have no time left.
I notice that the default is still 15+15 on mobile app. I wonder if that's a temporary situation. Maybe there's a case for having different defaults on mobile vs browser, if mobile users are typically looking for shorter games(?), as it would maintain a bit of a pool in both time controls.
@Molurus Ah yes I see how my argument in #8 may be flawed, but in my defence it was written in a moment of despair as I logged on to find 15+15 had been removed from quick pairing.
I think Lichess could have added these new time controls without removing 15+15. I look forward to playing the new time controls but would've also liked to have been able to play 15+15 as well as that's the time control I feel most comfortable in.
I certainly don't intend to play 15+10 as I've worked hard on my classical rating and don't really want to switch to playing rapid now.
For me it sounds a bit funny to talk 30 10 as "classical chess" or "classical". If you play fide rated tourney games then the classical is often at least 90 min on the start. Yes I know it is classical here. So real classical fide rated game doesn't feel too long. People usually don't like to play long games in internet, but it may be partly due to how do yo arrange time, distractions and other things.
